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Giuliani's problem with the religious [large graphics]

Posted on 02/18/2007 4:12:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson

I don't know about you, but I doubt the Christian conservatives throughout the red state farm belt and especially down in the South are going to cotton to a liberal New York Yankee coming down to try to clean up crime by taking their guns and bringing abortion and gay unions (gay marriage) into their families, schools and churches.



TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: demographics; elections; giuliani; rudy; rudy2008
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To: Al Simmons
"I only ask you to think rationally and conclude that IF he is the nominee, he will deserve your support."

I don't call abandoning one's principles rational in order to support the Republican party nominee when he stands for next to nothing that I do. He will NOT deserve my support. The nominee needs to EARN my vote; I don't owe it to him. It is irrational to pretend not to notice that IF Giuliani is the Republican nominee, the party has abandoned any conservative values they once had and in effect, has left me, not the other way around.

461 posted on 02/18/2007 7:56:57 PM PST by penowa (NO more Bushes; NO more Clintons EVER!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I doubt that many people are supporting Rudy to throw the Christians under the bus. Rather, they see in Rudy a leader who can lead America in times of war, and destroy terrorism. I, for example, would love to have Mark Sanford in the race. He's a fiscal and social conservative, so it's not about throwing Christians under the bus.


462 posted on 02/18/2007 7:57:33 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: penowa
The nominee needs to EARN my vote

Here's something: he supports the WOT. Hillary does not.
463 posted on 02/18/2007 7:58:31 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Jim Robinson; Mia T

Jim,

Mia's map portrays America as completely Islamic.

You seem to agree that will be the result, if things continue to go terribly wrong.

I suppose I should include you as a fellow "Enemy of Islam", as I proudly here proclaim myself to be.


464 posted on 02/18/2007 7:58:46 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: Mia T

Now why do you think we'd lose the war by electing a conservative? Is Rudy some kind of military genius that y'all have been hiding from us? Was he a famous general or something in a prior life? What IS his war record now that you bring it up?


465 posted on 02/18/2007 7:59:22 PM PST by Jim Robinson (If the party runs a social liberal for president it's a kick in the teeth to its conservative base.)
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To: falpro
Rudy will get the Southern and Christian vote, because the South won't stand by and allow another Clinton to be sworn in.

The South won't vote for a gun grabber either. The Southern conservative voter will either stay home or vote 3rd party.

466 posted on 02/18/2007 7:59:48 PM PST by texastoo ("trash the treaties")
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim, I believe survival trumps all. Even our strong doctrinal beliefs. Sometimes you have to go outside the system to save the system. Lady Liberty can't lift herself up by her own bootstraps....


467 posted on 02/18/2007 8:00:13 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Jim Robinson
Is Rudy some kind of military genius that y'all have been hiding from us?

No, but he DID stay at a Holiday Inn Express the night before he prodded President Bush to nominate Bernie Kerik for head of the most important anti-terror job in the country.

468 posted on 02/18/2007 8:00:57 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: texastoo
The South won't vote for a gun grabber either. The Southern conservative voter will either stay home or vote 3rd party.

Agreed. We'll never give up our guns.

469 posted on 02/18/2007 8:01:59 PM PST by processing please hold (Duncan Hunter '08) (ROP and Open Borders-a terrorist marriage and hell's coming with them)
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To: Mia T

Gawd, you are getting absurd with that post. Sorry, absurd-ER.


470 posted on 02/18/2007 8:03:49 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Mia T

Do you think that unless Rudy is elected president we will not survive?


471 posted on 02/18/2007 8:03:56 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: Mia T
And your graphics are bloody annoying sometimes, FYI.
472 posted on 02/18/2007 8:04:15 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: Spiff

I don't think you WANT TO elect hillary clinton. But if you vote 3rd party, stay home, or nominate a nobody loser, you will help to elect her.


473 posted on 02/18/2007 8:04:57 PM PST by Mia T (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations (The acronym is the message.))
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To: Sabramerican

Rudy is a socially liberal nominally fiscal conservative with a law and order streak that can trod on the second amendment. If that's your cup of tea, support Rudy.


474 posted on 02/18/2007 8:05:14 PM PST by jwalsh07 (Vote for Duncan!)
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To: Mia T
Sometimes you have to go outside the system to save the system.

Yep, sometimes you have to destroy the village to save it, eh?

475 posted on 02/18/2007 8:05:24 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Mia T

If we nominate Rudy, we will get Hillary. Is that what you want?


476 posted on 02/18/2007 8:05:52 PM PST by JCEccles
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To: rmlew
Benny is a good man. A shame that the small parties only get cabinet, but not H of S.

At least, thanks to the small parties, the Knesset still has folks with both brains and balls. The same cannot be said of Albion, I'm afraid, nor of most of our other allies.

477 posted on 02/18/2007 8:07:33 PM PST by Clemenza (NO to Rudy in 2008! New York's Values are NOT America's Values!)
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To: Sabramerican
But almost every Republican and other mainstream citizens who lived in NYC, pre and during Giuliani, know that the Liberal label is crap

You are absolutely correct. Other than the fact that Rudy got awards from NARAL, supported Clinton gun-grabbing legislation, is in favor of amnesty and sanctuary for illegals, is not only pro-gay but marches in their parades, is pro-CFR, AND is a new convert to the church of global warming, I can't imagine WHY anyone could think he's a liberal.

478 posted on 02/18/2007 8:07:46 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: JCEccles
Do you think that unless a pro-war Republican is elected president we will not survive?

There, I fixed it for you. Of all the pro-war Republicans, Rudy probably has the best chance of winning against Hillary.
479 posted on 02/18/2007 8:09:12 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Mia T
I don't think you WANT TO elect hillary clinton. But if you vote 3rd party, stay home, or nominate a nobody loser, you will help to elect her.

Bush the Elder drifted left in 1992 and split the party. Rudy is already far more liberal than Bush the Elder.

So tell me how Rudy can hold the party together from the far, far left fringes of such.

480 posted on 02/18/2007 8:09:19 PM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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