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Giuliani's problem with the religious [large graphics]

Posted on 02/18/2007 4:12:23 PM PST by Jim Robinson

I don't know about you, but I doubt the Christian conservatives throughout the red state farm belt and especially down in the South are going to cotton to a liberal New York Yankee coming down to try to clean up crime by taking their guns and bringing abortion and gay unions (gay marriage) into their families, schools and churches.



TOPICS: Politics/Elections; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: demographics; elections; giuliani; rudy; rudy2008
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1 posted on 02/18/2007 4:12:26 PM PST by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

2A until I die.


2 posted on 02/18/2007 4:13:49 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Jim Robinson

The illegal aliens/border issue is also an important shortcoming for him


3 posted on 02/18/2007 4:14:24 PM PST by Mount Athos
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To: Liz; Spiff

fyi


4 posted on 02/18/2007 4:14:59 PM PST by jla
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To: Jim Robinson
..thank you JimRob

Southern Baptist Bump!

5 posted on 02/18/2007 4:15:09 PM PST by WalterSkinner ( ..when there is any conflict between God and Caesar -- guess who loses?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Conservative Baptist, evangelical, pro-life, lifetime NRA member, social conservative Rudy supporter here.


6 posted on 02/18/2007 4:17:14 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Jim Robinson

I don't know why you bring guns into this (Religion), but for single issue voters (Abortion), Rudy has no chance at all.


7 posted on 02/18/2007 4:17:14 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: Jim Robinson

Won't you just look at all that red in states republicans MUST win in order to win the presidency.


8 posted on 02/18/2007 4:17:21 PM PST by flashbunny (<----- Click here if you hate RINOs! 2008 GOP RINO cards!)
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To: Jim Robinson
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1786945/posts: [from Hartford Courant article]:
"The other candidates talk about social issues and seek to placate suspicious conservatives who've heard their sweet songs before. Giuliani showcases pelts on his belt. The most sumptuous comes from his 1999 battle with the Brooklyn Museum of Art. The museum, which enjoyed some public funding, booked an incendiary exhibit that featured a portrait of the Virgin Mary caparisoned in elephant dung and vulgar photos. Giuliani cut off the museum's public funds. That's something religious Republicans in South Carolina can understand."
9 posted on 02/18/2007 4:17:38 PM PST by GSlob
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To: Jim Robinson

He can't count on people like me either. I'm not evangelical or Catholic. I'm a non denominational believer in God who is a conservative.

Personally I like the man and think he was a great mayor and think he could be a great senator but I just can't see him in the oval office.


10 posted on 02/18/2007 4:17:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (Peace without victory is a temporary illusion.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yeah, but I love that Muslims in the Middle East think that Rudy is a Jew!


11 posted on 02/18/2007 4:17:54 PM PST by debg
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To: M. Thatcher
Conservative Baptist, evangelical, pro-life, lifetime NRA member, social conservative Rudy supporter here.

Now that is one fine oxymoron.

12 posted on 02/18/2007 4:19:02 PM PST by Enosh (†)
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To: Jim Robinson
The South voted for George Bush Sr. in 1988.

And they won't vote for Hillary or Osama.

13 posted on 02/18/2007 4:19:17 PM PST by LdSentinal
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim,

The 2nd amendment crowd are one issue voters. They "Don't trust a politician that doesn't trust them with a gun". All other concerns and issues decide which candidate after they pass that test.

You can go to any gun board on the net and Rudy G. is getting panned. There are around 5 to 10 million of these guys out there. Since the AWB is now seriously again being run up the flagpole, they are taking this very seriously...


14 posted on 02/18/2007 4:19:28 PM PST by El Laton Caliente (NRA Member & GUNSNET.NET Moderator)
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To: Jim Robinson

Yep, that map might make the liberal New Yorkers wake up and smell the coffee.


15 posted on 02/18/2007 4:21:28 PM PST by TommyDale (What will Rudy do in the War on Terror? Implement gun control on insurgents and Al Qaeda?)
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To: Jim Robinson

Ask southern Christian conservatives what the #1 issue is and I'll wager they'll say "the war on terror". And the #1 need in this nation: leadership. That's why Rudy will do fine in the primaries. And with California and New Jersey moving up to Feb. 5, 2008, Rudy will be well positioned in the early primaries. JMHO, of course.


16 posted on 02/18/2007 4:22:47 PM PST by ReleaseTheHounds (“The demagogue is one who preaches doctrines he knows to be untrue to men he knows to be idiots.”)
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To: Jim Robinson; All
The President is not a legislature or the courts - which is where the 'social issues' are legislated. So the whole threat of Rudy's stated personal views on these issues is WAYYYY overblown.

Rudy knows that trying to impose those views is a recipe for defeat. He is nothing if not a shrewd, dollars and cents kind of guy. A hard-nosed pragmatist, not an ideologue. He will assure the social voters by appointing conservatives in the Judiciary (or he'd be a one-term president), and will veto anything too over the top that Congress passes.

And don't forget the THOUSANDS of "ultra-conservative" Republicans in every state for whom Rudy has personally campaigned since 2001. Doesn't sound like something that a doctrinaire 'committed to social change' liberal would do, does it?

So while he won't be a Reagan or a GWB, his ability - and his desire - to affect these social issues is WAYYYYY overblown.

Where the President has a leading role is in defending this country. And anyone following his career knows that he can and will use the "iron fist" against our enemies. He did it with the criminals in NYC and he'll do it with al Quaeda abroad.

Remember that he personally (and privately, in dead seriousness) asked President Bush to be allowed to "throw the switch" if bin Laden was ever captured, tried and sentenced to death.

See the big picture folks. Hitlary's (or any Dems) Federal Judges are the ones who will try to legislate (imm)morality for decades after her presidency is over!

Rudy will appoint conservatives who won't. Or he'll be a one-termer, and I guarantee you that he is nothing if not a smart cookie. He is not an ideologue but a pragmatist. And pragmatism dictates that he govern as I have laid out above.

Hitlary, OTOH is a doctrinaire Marxist who believes in shoving her policies down your throat at any cost, consequences be damned. She is reckless, power-obsessed, and has a dictator-top-down-what's-good-for-you complex. Its no accident that her Marxist college thesis is still embargoed and the College refuses to release it 37 years later. She learned her craft at the knee of one of the most radical agitator-Marxist college professors whose whole teaching purpose was to instruct his radical students on how to best infiltrate the political system to effect Marxist atheist change.

So when the police come to your door to tell you that you have to send your homeschooler to public school under the law just signed by Hitlary, you won't have me to blame for it - for I will crawl over broken glass and rusty nails to vote against her.

Rudy and Hitlary both may not share all of your 'social views' - though Rudy is a heck of a lot closer to you on them.

But one of them will let sleeping dogs lie, appointing mainstream conservatism which he will be elected to do - while the other, through her administration, allies in Congress, and Judicial appointments - will actively seek to destroy your right to live as you do and to teach your kids what you believe.

And I think you know which one of the two of them I am talking about.

17 posted on 02/18/2007 4:23:00 PM PST by Al Simmons (Thou Shalt Speak No Ill of Another Republican - Ronald Wilson Reagan's 11th Commandment)
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To: Enosh
Now that is one fine oxymoron.

Actually, not.

There are more of us than you think.

18 posted on 02/18/2007 4:23:20 PM PST by M. Thatcher
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To: Enosh
I don't know why you bring guns into this (Religion), but for single issue voters (Abortion), Rudy has no chance at all.

Well, how many single-issue abortion voters are there?
19 posted on 02/18/2007 4:24:08 PM PST by LtdGovt ("Where government moves in, community retreats and civil society disintegrates" -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: Jim Robinson

I believe you're right, Jim. And thanks for the very interesting graphic on church bodies.


20 posted on 02/18/2007 4:24:09 PM PST by American Quilter (You can't negotiate with people who are dedicated to your destruction.)
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