Vanity: Questions regarding the Republican Platform, is it pro-life, pro-family?

[Jim Robinson]

I've long assumed that the Republican Party platform included pro-life, pro-family and pro 1st and 2nd amendment planks. Is this true or false? Or is the platform amended each election cycle to conform to the positions of the top polling potential presidential nominee (ie, the one with the most money or star billing and the MSM eye)?

If these planks are based on longstanding, sound conservative principles and are sincerely respected and upheld by the majority of the members, then I'd like to propose a motion that before being seriously considered by the official party powers that be, prospective nominees for the office of President of the United States must in the least demonstrate a solid history of being pro-life, pro-family and pro 1st and 2nd amendments, in addition to a solid history of abiding by and fighting for the other basic Republican planks, ie, national security, national defense, limited government, conservative spending, lower taxes, strict constructionist judges, local control of health, education and welfare, etc, etc.

Or is it too much to ask of the politician asking for our support for the highest office in the land to respect and abide by conservative principles and the basic planks of the party platform?

Or is there a movement underfoot to remove these planks from the platform?

[Calpernia]

bump

[oceanview]

changed it? in what, 2 instances with cause? big deal.

I am not focusing on Koch's opinion - read Giuliani's own quotes there about that judge - does it sound like he supports liberal judicial activism?

"THEY BECOME THE PURVEYORS OF POLICY RATHER THAN
DECIDERS OF CASES THAT COME BEFORE THEM." "SHE
ISN'T RULING ON THE LAW, SHE'S RULING ON HER OWN
PERSONAL IDEOLOGY."

[Calpernia]

Giuliani to Address Log Cabin Republican Convention
publications & resources > publications archive > 1999 > Giuliani to Address Log Cabin Republican Convention

August 23, 1999

New York City Mayor (and likely GOP Senate candidate) Rudolph Giuliani will deliver the keynote address at "Liberty for All" - the 1999 Log Cabin National Leadership Conference on Saturday, August 28 in New York City. The conference, the largest annual gathering of gay and lesbian conservatives in the nation, will also include a plenary debate on the state of the gay movement featuring author Andrew Sullivan, Gay and Lesbian Victory Fund Executive Director Brian Bond, National Gay and Lesbian Task Force Policy Institute Director Urvashi Vaid and Richard Tafel, executive director of the Log Cabin Republicans. The conference also will focus on increasing civic activism by gay Americans through workshops on fundraising, campaigning and grass-roots organizing. For more information, please contact Log Cabin Republicans Director of Public Affairs Kevin Ivers at (202) 347-5306.

[narses]

Thanks.

[oceanview]

we may well have lost the Allen race to vote fraud, but the underlying election has to be close for the Dems to use it effectively.

[donna]

I think his opinion is fairly accurate. The GOP platform has increasingly become a fundraising/vote getting press release.

The GOP powerbrokers are in control of the platform, and so long as they continue to take us (and our votes) for granted, it will remain an "inside the Beltway" tool. Well, that's my take on it, anyway.

Me, too.

[Delphinium]

the largest annual gathering of gay and lesbian conservatives in the nation,
What a joke!

[AmeriBrit]

IIRC, I also read that same vanity.



IMHO Peach, at this point and time, winning the WOT IS the most important issue and should be everyone's #1 aim. What good will any other party platform issues serve us if we're all running around in burka's and being forced to pray to Allah 5 times a day?



WAKE UP AMERICA! The survival of the nation, our freedom and that of our future generations is dependent on a victory in the ME. We must concentrate on getting behind a leader who will make a WOT victory his main goal, as President Bush has, or all is lost. Only one candidate so far has shown he has anything close to those credentials.



WAKE UP AMERICA BEFORE IT'S TOO LATE!

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Here is a post that should be framed in gold...

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To: Sun

Believe me,

George "the Christians are what's wrong with America" Will and the Rockefeller types who want a second Libertarian Party are drooling over the idea of Rudy winning the Presidency.

This is a Civil War right now between a very, very, very loud and persistent minority of Liberal GOP types who only want fiscal and defense/crime issues to ever be of any concern in any campaign for the rest of eternity, and the SoCon/Gun Conservatives who want candidates who'll represent SoCon/Gun issues as well as fiscal/defense/crime issues.

Make no mistake, these are the folks who want all of America to mirror NY City. They just think that they can get all of the Liberals on board and have a big-tent, one-party system if they dump anyone who cares about anything other than taxes, crime, and defense.

It is a big fight right now between the Rudy backers, who selfishly want ONLY their issues represented in the campaign, and the SoCon/Gun Conservatives who want all of the issues represented.

I will not sell my soul to win one election.

I have been an admirer of Rudy for some time, doing what could be done by a Republican in NY, and I have a lot of respect for the guy. I have always been opposed to his Presidential candidacy, though open to having him as the Veep on the ticket. But the threat his candidacy poses to the issues I care about is huge, and the persistence of the loud few is beginning to make me believe there are greater enemies in our own Party than I ever thought. The Rockefeller/Liberal GOP types like DeRoy Murdoch and George Will are constantly on their Presidential kneepads for Rudy. and they don't care - they just DON'T CARE - if anyone has objections. To hell with them - it's Rudy or nothing!

I am writing some letters to the Family Research Council and a couple of other organizations about the need for them to start following through with their promises to take Rudy down by spreading awareness that he's running under the wrong Party for a PRESIDENTIAL race. I'm going to see if they need any help spreading literature, or working phone banks, or if they need help in any particular state in the coming months. Enough is enough. We have an enemy of many of our causes trying to hijack the party, and he must be defeated with all of our efforts.

I haven't read so much b*llsh*t since the Democrats started trying the same thing in a different form "reasonable gun laws," "safe, legal, and rare," etc. etc. etc. etc. Same damn stuff - Oh, we promise, Rudy won't really be Rudy as President! You have nothing to fear - forget his history, it's all circumstantial! We who want your issues dumped two years before the election - we'll help you promote them after we win! Trust us!

Rudy will sign more gun restriction into law - anyone telling you otherwise is a liar.

Rudy will reverse the Mexico City law, and will greatly liberalize the abortion laws in this country with every executive power available to him - anyone telling you otherwise is a liar. Embryonic Stem Cells, Partial-Birth Abortion, you name it.

Rudy will be a critical impediment for the Pro-Defense-of-Marriage movement, at a time when we desperately need a consistent champion for the cause in the White House. Anyone telling you otherwise is a liar.

Rudy will not appoint a single judge who he fears might overturn law he holds sacrosanct - like Roe v. Wade - anyone telling you otherwise is a liar. He has called it "good law" and has called himself a "Champion of Choice." You are a blithering IDIOT if you think there's any chance Rudy Giuliani would ever, under ANY circumstance, appoint the fifth Justice to overturn Roe V. Wade. This is so elementary I cannot believe ANYONE is so idiotic as to think otherwise.

Rudy is wrong on Hate Crimes Legislation, Immigration, Guns, Abortion, Partial-Birth Abortion, Public Funding of Abortion, Gay Rights, I mean this list goes on and on.

We can have a candidate who has been a self-profeesed champion of the WRONG side of a litany of the issues we hold dear, or we can have one of a series of candidates who will fight for the causes we believe in - not one or two or three of them - but nearly all of them.

It is time to start calling a duck a duck. Rudy Giuliani is a threat to the SocCon/Gun Conservative movement, and has been an activist, avowed enemy of many of the SoCon and Gun Conservative issues many of us hold dear. To expect him to act as ANYTHING other than that is foolishness or deceit of the highest degree.

This is the first time in my lifetime I have ever had a GOP candidate who threatens me more than the Democrat candidate.

Hey. Here's an idea! Let's try to achieve some fiscally Conservative ideas by tripling the government budget and raising taxes. I mean, think about it - we could triple the defense budget, and add three times the police on the streets! What could be more Conservative? George Will is right - we need to elect a Liberal who'll do this!

39 posted on 02/04/2007 12:00:33 PM PST by TitansAFC (Pacifism is not peace; pacifists are not peacemakers.)

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[TitansAFC]

Believe me,

George "the Christians are what's wrong with America" Will and the Rockefeller types who want a second Libertarian Party are drooling over the idea of Rudy winning the Presidency.

This is a Civil War right now between a very, very, very loud and persistent minority of Liberal GOP types who only want fiscal and defense/crime issues to ever be of any concern in any campaign for the rest of eternity, and the SoCon/Gun Conservatives who want candidates who'll represent SoCon/Gun issues as well as fiscal/defense/crime issues.

Make no mistake, these are the folks who want all of America to mirror NY City. They just think that they can get all of the Liberals on board and have a big-tent, one-party system if they dump anyone who cares about anything other than taxes, crime, and defense.

It is a big fight right now between the Rudy backers, who selfishly want ONLY their issues represented in the campaign, and the SoCon/Gun Conservatives who want all of the issues represented.

I will not sell my soul to win one election.

I have been an admirer of Rudy for some time, doing what could be done by a Republican in NY, and I have a lot of respect for the guy. I have always been opposed to his Presidential candidacy, though open to having him as the Veep on the ticket. But the threat his candidacy poses to the issues I care about is huge, and the persistence of the loud few is beginning to make me believe there are greater enemies in our own Party than I ever thought. The Rockefeller/Liberal GOP types like DeRoy Murdoch and George Will are constantly on their Presidential kneepads for Rudy. and they don't care - they just DON'T CARE - if anyone has objections. To hell with them - it's Rudy or nothing!

I am writing some letters to the Family Research Council and a couple of other organizations about the need for them to start following through with their promises to take Rudy down by spreading awareness that he's running under the wrong Party for a PRESIDENTIAL race. I'm going to see if they need any help spreading literature, or working phone banks, or if they need help in any particular state in the coming months. Enough is enough. We have an enemy of many of our causes trying to hijack the party, and he must be defeated with all of our efforts.

I haven't read so much b*llsh*t since the Democrats started trying the same thing in a different form "reasonable gun laws," "safe, legal, and rare," etc. etc. etc. etc. Same damn stuff - Oh, we promise, Rudy won't really be Rudy as President! You have nothing to fear - forget his history, it's all circumstantial! We who want your issues dumped two years before the election - we'll help you promote them after we win! Trust us!

Rudy will sign more gun restriction into law - anyone telling you otherwise is a liar.

Rudy will reverse the Mexico City law, and will greatly liberalize the abortion laws in this country with every executive power available to him - anyone telling you otherwise is a liar. Embryonic Stem Cells, Partial-Birth Abortion, you name it.

Rudy will be a critical impediment for the Pro-Defense-of-Marriage movement, at a time when we desperately need a consistent champion for the cause in the White House. Anyone telling you otherwise is a liar.

Rudy will not appoint a single judge who he fears might overturn law he holds sacrosanct - like Roe v. Wade - anyone telling you otherwise is a liar. He has called it "good law" and has called himself a "Champion of Choice." You are a blithering IDIOT if you think there's any chance Rudy Giuliani would ever, under ANY circumstance, appoint the fifth Justice to overturn Roe V. Wade. This is so elementary I cannot believe ANYONE is so idiotic as to think otherwise.

Rudy is wrong on Hate Crimes Legislation, Immigration, Guns, Abortion, Partial-Birth Abortion, Public Funding of Abortion, Gay Rights, I mean this list goes on and on.

We can have a candidate who has been a self-profeesed champion of the WRONG side of a litany of the issues we hold dear, or we can have one of a series of candidates who will fight for the causes we believe in - not one or two or three of them - but nearly all of them.

It is time to start calling a duck a duck. Rudy Giuliani is a threat to the SocCon/Gun Conservative movement, and has been an activist, avowed enemy of many of the SoCon and Gun Conservative issues many of us hold dear. To expect him to act as ANYTHING other than that is foolishness or deceit of the highest degree.

This is the first time in my lifetime I have ever had a GOP candidate who threatens me more than the Democrat candidate.

Hey. Here's an idea! Let's try to achieve some fiscally Conservative ideas by tripling the government budget and raising taxes. I mean, think about it - we could triple the defense budget, and add three times the police on the streets! What could be more Conservative? George Will is right - we need to elect a Liberal who'll do this!

[Calpernia]

Not true.

#1 - It was recently found that E-voting components were being sold on eBay, hidden within other items.

#2 - WiFi voting has been reported as manipulated from the parking lot

3# - Not all states updated their voter registrations as required by the Help America Vote Act

[deport]

I posted an excerpt from one of the web blogs debating Rudy's run. It should be on the first thread of this post. Around 30 or so.

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Thanks... So it was a web blog speculation rather than something from Rudy's campaign....

[Calpernia]

Also note, in my post, The Victory Fund is the fundraising tool for democratic candidates. The Log Cabin is suppose to be for gay republicans.

Note how they are both at the SAME convention.

[Calpernia]

I don't remember now. That was hours ago and browser windows ago.

I can try to look for that excerpt when I'm back on the computer after the superbowl.

[deport]

No need to look any further. I found your post quoting an excerpt. It was referring to the possibility of McCain/Rudy running as independents.

Thanks....

[Sir Francis Dashwood]

Only one candidate so far has shown he has anything close to those credentials.

And he was a U.S. Army Ranger...

[sitetest]

Dear deport,

The idea that Mr. Giuliani may run as an independent may have come from an article in New York's Newsday. The paper reported that Mr. Giuliani, in filing his form FEC 1, declaring that he is exploring a run for the presidency, didn't indicate a party affiliation.

When asked, his campaign said that this wasn't an oversight.


sitetest

[BykrBayb]

JR: Or is there a movement underfoot to remove these planks from the platform?

EV: There ALWAYS is. Every time. And every time they fail...

I wish. But they don't always fail. They've been gaining ground for as long as I can remember. They use every underhanded tool at their disposal. Bullying is one of their favorite tactics. Why? Because it works. I'm sure you've noticed some of them at work, even here. How many rational voices have they silenced through their bullying? I've lost count.

How many have they confused with their lies? It's difficult to tell the difference between the deceivers and the deceived. They all push the same lies. Some because they believe the lies. Some because they want everyone else to believe what they themselves know are lies. The latter group tend to be the biggest bullies.

Some of them have even been exposed, time and time again, for the liars they are. When their destructive plans are posted in their own words, they gang up and rip the exposers to shreds, and find a way to bury the evidence. Then they forge ahead, having once again successfully crossed that little bump in the road which is truth.

I wish they had a 100% failure rate, but they don't.

[Afronaut]

"Or is there a movement underfoot to remove these planks from the platform?"

It's very early but it has already started in the MSM and on your site.

[Delphinium]

Thanks for the note, but I always figured it. Same company.

[AmeriBrit]

Only one candidate so far has shown he has anything close to those credentials.

With Fred Thompson or Newt as 2nd in command, we'd have strong leadership. Your choice has baggage that's just now starting to surface, and will be a made a big issue of by the RAT's and MSM, which will then lead to a republican defeat, a loss on the WOT and a loss of our freedom.