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Vanity: Questions regarding the Republican Platform, is it pro-life, pro-family?

Posted on 02/04/2007 1:31:12 AM PST by Jim Robinson

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To: AmeriBrit

We don't elect leaders. Sheep need leaders. Turning the general election into a second Democrat primary is not a winning strategy.

A fancy Madison Avenue label on two liberal New York lawyers isn't going to win the war.


341 posted on 02/05/2007 2:12:20 AM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Perhaps it's time to consider direct action. Join your county's GOP Central Committee. It's probably too late to become a delegate to the California GOP Spring Convention, which will be held Feb. 7-9th in Sacramento, but maybe you could attend anyway, and plan to become a delegate to the next one. Seek a position as one of the delegates to the Republican National Convention. Seek appointment to the Platform Committee. Run for the National Committee position for your state. Get on the Executive Committee. Then work like heck to get conservative planks in the platform. I know this all sounds daunting, but that's how the system works, and you've got a big advantage as the owner of this web site. It all starts at the local level.


342 posted on 02/05/2007 2:14:22 AM PST by HAL9000 (Get a Mac - The Ultimate FReeping Machine)
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To: nopardons
The term RINO has been so badly misused and abused, here on FR< for the past 8 years, that it has completely lost its relevancy, any coherent meaning, and is as worthless as can be. Funnily enough, the very posters who misuse it, are the ones least qualified to attach to anyone one.

Most RINOs feel the same way.

So, are you member of the Republican Party?

343 posted on 02/05/2007 5:07:51 AM PST by Spiff (Rudy Giuliani Quote (NY Post, 1996) "Most of Clinton's policies are very similar to most of mine.")
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To: Melas
Far be it for me to compete with charts.

Or facts, for that matter.

344 posted on 02/05/2007 6:09:06 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Melas; Pharmboy
Rudy is a grade A executive. Fiscally, he worked as much magic with NYC as he did with cleaning up the streets. The guy is simply great CEO material

Personally, I think he has shown signs of seriously impaired judgement at times, myself - as well as leaning towards not allowing the populace to defend itself.

He worked to revoke gun permits against long-time permit holders, even thought there was no indication they were involved in any wrongdoing.

His "broken glass" approach had a gaping hole in it - namely, his overly-vigorous support of NYC's sanctuary city policy.

He fought it through the federal courts, lost, but decided to ignore the ruling. Meanwhile, the sanctuary city policy took a vital crime and terror control tool away from law enforcement - how many 9-11 perps were visa overstays? That to me shows a blind side big enough to drive a truck through.

And finally, his pushing Bernie Kerik to be head of DHS without vetting him concerns me the most. He wanted Kerik for the most important anti-terror job in the country - and Kerik was a business associate. Yet Rudy had no idea of Kerik's significant ethical problems. I'd think if Rudy was such a hotshot executive, he would have done more homework in Kerik long ago. Instead, it all reeks of cronyism - and the best executives avoid such.

345 posted on 02/05/2007 6:24:22 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: freeperfromnj; Antoninus
Remember when Brett Schundler ran in NJ. He was my ideal candidate. He campaigned on all those issues we hold dear -- Second Amendment, pro-life, pro-family. I was crushed when he lost - but it is NJ.

You're not mentioning the fact that the NJ GOP sabotaged Schundler's campaign from the get go.

346 posted on 02/05/2007 6:34:38 AM PST by jmc813 (Please check out www.marrow.org and consider becoming a donor. You may save a life.)
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To: dirtboy; Melas

Rudy is a Scoop Jackson Democrat masquerading as a Republican (that's because there are no more Scoop Jackson Democrats).

Pro-third trimester abortion, pro-gun confiscation and pro-gay agenda is all bad. We must do better than this...


347 posted on 02/05/2007 6:35:43 AM PST by Pharmboy ([She turned me into a] Newt! in '08)
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To: Pharmboy

Hey, I'm more than cool with that. Scoop Jackson was in every way a conservative. Ronald Reagan himself called Jackson one of the greatest congressmen of his lifetime.


348 posted on 02/05/2007 6:38:47 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Melas
Hey, I'm more than cool with that. Scoop Jackson was in every way a conservative. Ronald Reagan himself called Jackson one of the greatest congressmen of his lifetime.

So you are cool with supporting a guy indistinguishable from a Democrat? Telling.

349 posted on 02/05/2007 6:40:57 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: jmc813
You're not mentioning the fact that the NJ GOP sabotaged Schundler's campaign from the get go.

Yep, the Rockefeller wing would rather sandbag conservatives than win. Quite telling.

350 posted on 02/05/2007 6:41:45 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: dirtboy
So you are cool with supporting a guy indistinguishable from a Democrat? Telling.

If that's the label you want to slap on a man who held a great man conservative values and who earned high praise from Ronald Reagan, sure.

See, maybe you're naive enough to believe that Reagan just decided to call a Kennedyesque liberal one of the greatest lawmakers of his lifetime, but I know better. Reagan recognized the dedication, patriotism, and conservatism of Jackson despite the D by his name.

351 posted on 02/05/2007 6:51:40 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Melas
If that's the label you want to slap on a man who held a great man conservative values

You're the one who agreed with the assessment that Rudy was a Scoop Jackson Democrat in GOP drag.

352 posted on 02/05/2007 6:55:58 AM PST by dirtboy (Duncan Hunter 08)
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To: Jim Robinson
Or is there a movement underfoot to remove these planks from the platform?

Certainly.

And a tangent: There's a fundamental dishonesty among some GOP folks, observable here on FR, who want to move the party leftward.

In general elections, they scold conservative purists for balking at candidates like Arlen Specter or John McCain, claiming something to the effect of , "I'm not exactly pleased with [insert RINO here] either, but if you fail to vote for them, you'll help elect a Democrat [blah blah blah...]... the time to take out [the RINO] is during the primaries." Well, OK. That's a coherent point of view -- 'vote for the conservative in the primary, and the Republican in the election.'

But then, long before we even get to the primaries (such as the scenario now w/ 2008 presidential potentials), these same people will campaign hard *against* any conservative candidate to ensure that the RINO gets the nod. So the goal is seemingly to screw conservatives, while still trying to keep our votes in the general election. And like battered wives, we keep going back to them, convincing ourselves that it'll be better next time, or that the alternative is worse.

353 posted on 02/05/2007 7:33:51 AM PST by Sloth (The GOP is to DemonRats in politics as Michael Jackson is to Jeffrey Dahmer in babysitting.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I will offer a "Second" to your motion, Jim.


354 posted on 02/05/2007 8:20:22 AM PST by TommyDale (If we don't put a stop to this global warming, we will all be dead in 10,000 years!)
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To: dirtboy

Did you somehow miss the part about Ronald Reagan being among Scoop Jackson's admirers?


355 posted on 02/05/2007 9:58:55 AM PST by Melas (Offending stupid people since 1963)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

We don't elect leaders.




If you didn't get it you should complain, as that statement deserves the "Stupidest Statement Of The Day Award".


356 posted on 02/05/2007 1:48:12 PM PST by AmeriBrit (#1 ISSUE....WIN THE WOT.)
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To: AmeriBrit
If you didn't get it you should complain, as that statement deserves the "Stupidest Statement Of The Day Award".

For being British, your punctuation really stinks. It shows little pride in your heritage.

But, why should I bother with someone of limited literacy in his own native language? Maybe they didn't want you on the other side of the pond. Come back Saturday next if you are still having trouble.

357 posted on 02/05/2007 7:50:53 PM PST by Sir Francis Dashwood (LET'S ROLL!)
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To: Sir Francis Dashwood

Sounds to me like you're yellow after your stupid quote.


358 posted on 02/06/2007 1:36:33 PM PST by 68 grunt (3/1 India, 3rd, 68-69, 0311)
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To: EternalVigilance

Is it coherent to keep these planks in the platform while doing the opposite when elected? ... And can a Republican get elected to congress or the White House who repudiates these planks in honest representation of himself, as Rudy did last night on H&C? When did we Republican conservatives buy into the liberal notion that America will not support a true conservative so we need to compromise every aspect that makes us conservatives, resulting in some of our party voting for the liberal democrat candidates?


359 posted on 02/06/2007 1:45:44 PM PST by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support. Promote life support for others.)
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