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Fox reporting one snow climber found (Deceased)

Posted on 12/17/2006 3:43:18 PM PST by ConservativeMan55

One climber found dead on Mt. Hood


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: climber; kellyjames; mountaineering; mounthood; mthood; oregon
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

No problem.


221 posted on 12/17/2006 9:09:42 PM PST by proud_yank (Socialism - An Answer In Search Of A Question For Over 100 Years)
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To: united1000; Rushmore Rocks

Both of you are too kind.

I just love the outdoors :)

thanks


222 posted on 12/17/2006 9:12:02 PM PST by LeGrande
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To: LeGrande
...just sit and knit on the beach :)

Maybe in another 40 years! =)

223 posted on 12/17/2006 9:20:33 PM PST by Just Lori (Blessed are the peacemakers: ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE, MARINES, COAST GUARD!!!!)
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To: antiunion person

I agree with you. I certainly hope these men didn't have families depending on them for survival.


224 posted on 12/17/2006 9:31:44 PM PST by teenyelliott (Soylent green should be made outta liberals...)
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To: Dog Gone

you have issues...


225 posted on 12/17/2006 10:30:20 PM PST by surfer
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To: jdm

maybe you can get a 2-for-1 on the therapy sessions you and dog gone need.


226 posted on 12/17/2006 10:31:12 PM PST by surfer
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To: theDentist

Actually Kelly James got hurt...that changed the whole equation for them.


227 posted on 12/17/2006 10:32:03 PM PST by surfer
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To: Dark Skies
agree that its a great thing for people to be adventuresome....to experience life to the fullest....these men did that....if they die doing what they love, what better way to go.....

however, if I had a loved one who was part of the multiple rescue teams working Mt Hood, and something happened to him, what explanation is there for that?.....my loved one dying or becoming injured trying to help out the "adventuresome" climbers?.....

a few years ago, I think on Mt. Ranier there was a rather spectacular helicopter crash trying to "save" some hikers....

228 posted on 12/17/2006 10:38:51 PM PST by cherry
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To: Shire

In Colorado, you used to pay an extra 25 cents on the cost of a hunting/fishing license to cover the cost of rescue. I think it's built in to the cost of the license now.


229 posted on 12/17/2006 10:45:50 PM PST by Royal Wulff
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To: cherry
a few years ago, I think on Mt. Ranier there was a rather spectacular helicopter crash trying to "save" some hikers....

You're probably thinking of the Mt. Hood 2002 Blackhawk crash:

In 2002, nine climbers slid into the bergshrund crevasse, which yawns across the base of a steep chute leading to the summit. Three perished, and the military helicopter assigned to extract the remaining injured climbers crashed into the mountain's crater.

230 posted on 12/17/2006 10:57:40 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: BearWash
That whole episode, BTW, happened along the "easy" south route on Mt. Hood, where people have been known to climb in tennis shoes in good conditions (definitely not recommended; should have ice pick, crampons, etc.).
231 posted on 12/17/2006 10:59:45 PM PST by steve86 (Acerbic by nature, not nurture)
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To: cherry
...if I had a loved one who was part of the multiple rescue teams working Mt Hood, and something happened to him, what explanation is there for that?

The explanation would be that your loved one is a brave and compassionate person who is willing to take a big risk to help someone else. It's not up to you. It's up to him/her.

232 posted on 12/17/2006 11:01:08 PM PST by Just Lori (Blessed are the peacemakers: ARMY, NAVY, AIR FORCE, MARINES, COAST GUARD!!!!)
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To: Dark Skies

I don't believe this last storm just popped up from nowhere.

Wasn't it predicted before they left?


233 posted on 12/17/2006 11:09:20 PM PST by DB
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To: LeGrande; All

The best thing to come off these Oregon rescue threads the last weeks is I enjoying seeing all the Oregonian Lurkers come out and post.

Hi Ya'll! Good to see ya!
: )


234 posted on 12/18/2006 1:03:16 AM PST by Global2010
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To: LeGrande

We do too.

Just not easy to get the wheelchair over terrain anymore now that he is an adult.

Thank God we live in the Coastal Forrest, I can do short hikes when he is napping.

And go to the beach or bay on respite dayz.

Use to carry him when he was a kid and then he grew up to a big guy.

What is nice is having wheelchair access to nature right outside the front door with no close neighbors.

Sure saves on time and energy driving to the outdoors.

I just about fall asleep when assisting him to his Marine Biology Seminars but boy has it opened my eyes when at the beach and knowing all the micro creatures ect that are out there.

Lil education makes those short beach walks alot of fun even if it requires wearing protective gloves due to the high bacteria levels after storms.

It is just nice to get out and get the mind clear of day to day stresses.....no matter what ones agility ability is.


235 posted on 12/18/2006 1:32:02 AM PST by Global2010
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To: Dog Gone

"If there are cases where we're simply not going to attempt a rescue, then we should set it out. IN BOLD TYPE"

And here's where your theory goes haywire: the mountain rescue teams will simply do what they've always done - which is to assist fellow climbers in distress - but without the "coordination" function of Oregon county sheriffs.

You'll also have to get your law passed at the federal level to prevent DoD and NFS/NPS participation.

And you'll need a provision in the law to prosecute mountain rescue teams going after their fellows in distress, because they'll do it hell or high water. You need to actively and aggressively prosecute unauthorized SAR activities.

And then you'll need to get new government supported SAR teams in place, because no mountaineer in his right mind is going to work with a government or a program that selectively rescues some climbers and allows others to die.

You see, you don't know the first about the climbing ethos.


236 posted on 12/18/2006 2:36:01 AM PST by angkor
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To: proud_yank

Doable doesn't mean smart. These men were foolish to go up there during this time of year.


237 posted on 12/18/2006 2:38:06 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: Dallas59

Yes, it is, because of the much lower temperatures and the unpredictable white-out storms with 140 mph winds. Numerous climbers and rescuers have been on TV saying so. Yes, it can be done, but should it be is an altogether different issue. It's a matter of wisdom, judgment and consideration for your loved ones. Now there is at least on bereaved set of parents, a widow, and some fatherless kid(s), all so that some guy could massage his ego by climbing this peak in the dead of Winter. I'm sorry he's dead, but my sympathy is mainly with his family.


238 posted on 12/18/2006 2:42:09 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: angkor

They may cement loose rock, but it's still slippery and it's a lot colder, which was the killer this time.


239 posted on 12/18/2006 2:49:40 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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To: angkor

I don't think they should be prosecuted, but they should be billed for the expense of rescuing their dumb butts, at least when taxpayer assets are employed.


240 posted on 12/18/2006 2:52:37 AM PST by Jezebelle (Our tax dollars are paying the ACLU to sue the Christ out of us.)
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