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Christians Must 'let go' Some Beliefs For Sake of Peace, Theologian Says (MSM lies - See Post 28)
Tennessean.com ^ | 11/29/2006 | ANITA WADHWANI

Posted on 11/30/2006 2:05:10 AM PST by Dallas59

To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth, a Lipscomb University theologian told an interfaith gathering at the university.

"We are not going to get very far in our relationship with Jews or Muslims if we do not let go of this idea," Lipscomb professor Lee Camp said at Tuesday's conference.

The unusual gathering of several dozen clergy and lay people was devoted to resolving religious conflict in Nashville and around the world.

"We need to forsake the Christendom model," Camp said. "The most basic Christian commitment … is that we say we believe in the Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?"

Co-sponsored by the First Amendment Center at Vanderbilt University, the daylong conference was prompted by a desire to begin a dialogue about global religious conflict.

After five years of rising gas prices, disturbing privacy issues that followed the Sept. 11 attacks and the fear of terrorism, it became apparent that everyday life in Nashville is directly affected by religious conflicts in the Middle East and elsewhere, conference organizers said.

"We felt like the larger community is calling for this," said Larry Bridgesmith, executive director of Lipscomb's newly established Institute for Conflict Management.

Panelists representing different faiths presented their own views on how to begin to bridge the religious divide.

For Kahled Sakalla, a spokesman for the Islamic Center of Nashville, some of the answers lie in better education about Islam in the non-Muslim world.

Allah, the God Muslims worship, is the same God Christians and Jews worship, and the Quran recounts the same biblical stories of Mary and Jesus, he said.

"Yes, we have differences, but it's important to focus on commonalities," said Sakalla, one of four panelists representing different faiths who addressed the Lipscomb conference.

Mark Schiftan, rabbi of the Temple in Belle Meade, said he also believes people of faith must begin to look for common ground.

"If all of us believe we were created in God's image, then we have to believe that everyone else is also created in God's image," Schiftan said.

Charles McGowan, president of the Christian group Operation Andrew said: "It's important to us in Nashville that we be proactive. Religious leaders must engage one another if we are going to experience in this city the peace and calm we all desire."

But the issues that have divided the world's religions for millennia are so deep and fundamental — ranging from the question of whether the land of Israel rightfully belongs to the Jews and whether there is one way to salvation — that tackling them will require both dialogue with other faiths and a more introspective look at one's own beliefs, panelists said.

Some liberal theologians have suggested that different faiths are all variations on one another and that beliefs are all basically the same, a position with which Camp deeply disagrees.

Instead, he believes, Christians must not back away from their beliefs but further examine them and their own history.

First, Christians must examine their "sins of omission," he said — such as not taking the time to learn about other religions. Then they must look at their "sins of commission."

"We have such short historical (memory) spans as white Christians," he said. "There is a history of anti-Semitism, the violence and bloodshed of the crusades and cultural imperialism. We have to deal with the reality of what Christians have done, which in some cases has been to kill people."

Camp described himself as a conservative Christian but conceded his opinions may be viewed as "radical" by other evangelical Christians.

Christians must shed the idea that they need to promulgate a worldwide Christianity, he said.

"If I hold to a model of Jesus … what I've committed to in my baptism is loving my enemy," Lee said. "I'm committed to not killing you, but to serving and honoring you. It's an exclusive commitment to the way of Christ, not to the exclusive authority of Christ."

Sakalla said there may never be reconciliation on the fundamental theological divisions.

"Every religion has different teachings," he said. "For Muslims, it's: Do you believe in one God and that Muhammad" is his prophet? "I don't think we can teach individuals that the way you go to heaven in other religions is OK. You have to teach differences." •


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Jesus is the Son of God and NOT a prophet of the fake Allah.
1 posted on 11/30/2006 2:05:13 AM PST by Dallas59
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To: Dallas59

From LGF


2 posted on 11/30/2006 2:06:21 AM PST by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: Dallas59

Islam is a rip-off of Christianity. I find it curious that he did not make the same request of Muslims. Just another attack on Christians.


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3 posted on 11/30/2006 2:09:38 AM PST by xuberalles (Anti-Liberal Novelties, Titillating Tees! http://www.cafepress.com/titillatingtees)
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To: Dallas59
Christians must shed the idea that they need to promulgate a worldwide Christianity, he said.

Mark 16:15:

And He said to them, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature."

No, Christians do not have to "shed the idea" that they need to disregard this commandment of God's.

4 posted on 11/30/2006 2:12:39 AM PST by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: xuberalles

I should've said: CHRIST IS THE ONLY WAY TO SALVATION.


5 posted on 11/30/2006 2:12:48 AM PST by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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To: Dallas59

Oh all right, as long as it's just little things like Jesus not being the son of God.


6 posted on 11/30/2006 2:13:28 AM PST by Lorianne
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To: Dallas59

No worries...that works too!


7 posted on 11/30/2006 2:14:27 AM PST by xuberalles (Anti-Liberal Novelties, Titillating Tees! http://www.cafepress.com/titillatingtees)
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To: Dallas59
"To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth,...

This is being used to infer that the rest of the world is what needs to change, In order for anyone to live peaceably with Muslims, Muslims have to stop murdering people - it,s really as simple as that.

8 posted on 11/30/2006 2:16:36 AM PST by WorkerbeeCitizen (Religion of peace my arse - We need a maintenance Crusade - piss on Islam)
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To: Dallas59

"that tackling them will require both dialogue with other faiths and a more introspective look at one's own beliefs,"

The dialog chosen by the Muslims was flying planes into buildings; discussion OVER!


9 posted on 11/30/2006 2:17:44 AM PST by xowboy (My Parents were Right.......Love It or Leave It.)
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To: Dallas59

This is the biggest bunch of bull I've read in a long time.
It's from "The Onion" right? If not, it should be. We don't "let go" the fact that Jesus was born of the Virgin Mary.

If anything Moslems have to "Let Go" of killing us infidels.
If they will do that I will "Let Go" of saying "Islam Sucks".


10 posted on 11/30/2006 2:17:58 AM PST by Recall
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To: xuberalles; Dallas59
Yes. Islam started as a variant of the Christian Arian heresy, which held Christ to be a great human -- period. Then all of the ideas of Mohamed were added.

However it is too bad that the headline used (Jesus Not Son Of God), did not appear in the article, nor any synonymous paraphrase of it.

11 posted on 11/30/2006 2:18:04 AM PST by Lucius Cornelius Sulla (I went down in 1964 for Barry Goldwater with all flags flying! This is just a blip!)
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To: Dallas59

Well pass the moderate middle their victory medals.


The reason and purpose of why Christ would use Peter as example of denying Him thrice gets significant clarity after reading this.


12 posted on 11/30/2006 2:20:12 AM PST by Just mythoughts
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To: Dallas59
"Allah, the God Muslims worship, is the same God Christians and Jews worship, and the Quran recounts the same biblical stories of Mary and Jesus, he said."

Not surprising that a false Christian like Camp would remain silent when Sakalla told this lie.

13 posted on 11/30/2006 2:22:59 AM PST by Bonaparte
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To: Bonaparte

The way I read it, the Koran has Mary holding onto a Palm tree for dear life while delivering Jesus..nope, not the same story.


14 posted on 11/30/2006 2:26:53 AM PST by Recall
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To: Dallas59
To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth....

Isn't it the muzzies that want to create a muslim kingdom on Earth NOW?

I also didn't know we were not living peacefully with the Jews.

(Must be true, a college prof. said so...)

15 posted on 11/30/2006 2:27:16 AM PST by dirtbiker ("Fear of the Lord is the beginning of knowledge..." Proverbs 1:7)
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To: Dallas59

So this guy who calls himself a Christian theologian is preaching that fellow Christians need to abandon their faith in the divinity of Jesus Christ so as not to offend Muslims.

Interesting. I wonder if he would also counsel all those who just plain believe in God to abandon that bit of faith as well so as not to offend atheists. I don't think so, since there is currently no movement among overzealous atheists worldwide to strap bombs to themselves and blow up random civilians. Even speaking as a person who holds no religious faith, myself, I'm appalled at this person's blatant lack of respect for the sincere religious beliefs of others.

I would label this as just plain COWARDICE on his part and I think that he would benefit from going back to read the accounts as told in all four gospels of when Peter three times falsely denied knowing Jesus when confronted by an angry crowd.


16 posted on 11/30/2006 2:28:23 AM PST by spinestein (There is no pile of pennies so large that I won't throw two more on top.)
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To: Dallas59
To live peacefully with Muslims and Jews, Christians must put aside the notion that their faith requires the creation of a Christian kingdom on Earth, a Lipscomb University theologian told an interfaith gathering at the university.

Does this moron think the muslims are going to put aside their notion of an islamic theocracy on earth? The muslims idea of peace on earth is to kill everyone who is not a muslim and who refuses to convert.

17 posted on 11/30/2006 2:29:41 AM PST by AlaskaErik (Everyone should have a subject they are ignorant about. I choose professional corporate sports.)
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To: Lucius Cornelius Sulla
That was my doing and that's what I got out of this sentence..

""We need to forsake the Christendom model," Camp said. "The most basic Christian commitment … is that we say we believe in the Lordship of Jesus. But, if we claim that, how can a Muslim or Jew trust us, if we say Jesus is the Lord of all Lords?"
18 posted on 11/30/2006 2:30:32 AM PST by Dallas59 (Muslims Are Only Guests In Western Countries)
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20 posted on 11/30/2006 2:32:57 AM PST by Cindy
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