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NYT Plans Exclusive Story on Iraq and Research of Nuke Bomb
the drudge report ^ | 11/2/06 | matt drudge

Posted on 11/02/2006 4:55:43 PM PST by letsgonova19087

NYT PLANS EXCLUSIVE STORY ON IRAQ AND RESEARCH OF NUKE BOMB... NEWSROOM SOURCE TELLS DRUDGE: 'IT WILL LEAD THE PAPER ON FRIDAY... IT SHOULD IGNITE NEWS CYCLES'... DEVELOPING...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: birdcageliner; lies; lyingliars; propaganda
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To: tobyhill
"The point is that Saddam wasn't supposed to have this know how
Right. That is why we are all saying this story may be a setup for the NYT - they opened the door. Let us see what we find here now......
361 posted on 11/02/2006 8:02:22 PM PST by gb63
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To: KevinDavis

There are a lot of goodies in the story if read closely.


362 posted on 11/02/2006 8:02:42 PM PST by ikez78 (www.regimeofterror.com)
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To: the Real fifi; jveritas
Last night, the government shut down the Web site after The New York Times asked about complaints from weapons experts and arms-control officials. A spokesman for the director of national intelligence said access to the site had been suspended “pending a review to ensure its content is appropriate for public viewing.”

I bet those folks on the take in the UN Oil for Food Program are glad to see the web site shut down, too. Don't think this can only be about nukes.

The leftists want nothing more than to shut this website down because those docs lead to way more than nukes- and we know from past experience they aren't concerned about nuke tech getting out since the days of the Rosenbergs, much less Hazel O'Leary. The NY Times' slogan is "Our Loose Lips Thrive on Sinking Ships" after all. The Dems will be out tomorrow demanding it be permanently shut down 'for security' concerns when they are really concerned about their own greed getting exposed, and if the oil vouchers and gifts went to the US press as it did to reporters elswhere in the world, then the US press must shut down. They can't filter this info if the stuff is getting translated by Americans and released directly; they can't make up docs and claim they're in the database if we can check the database. The Dems and the press won't be filing FOIA requests for this material you can be sure.

363 posted on 11/02/2006 8:04:07 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: gb63

National Review - Geraghty's column - already shreds the Times position. This presents no political problem and may even be a plus.


364 posted on 11/02/2006 8:05:02 PM PST by mwl1
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To: tobyhill
Just like he wasn't to have the mustard and nerve gas rounds any more either. But when that was made known, it was pooh poohed as pre 92, or something silly like that. We're destroying chemical weapons from the 1940's and 1950's that are still dangerous. So the people who say we shouldn't put Saddam's info on a website, will say its innocuous that he had it, but dangerous for it to be on the website.
365 posted on 11/02/2006 8:06:09 PM PST by elhombrelibre (Global Warming Fears will do for the world what over population fears did for Europe.)
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To: jveritas
This must mean you, you fluently arabic speaking "amateur." </sarcasm>

You're getting in the way of their propaganda effort.

366 posted on 11/02/2006 8:08:14 PM PST by piasa (Attitude Adjustments Offered Here Free of Charge)
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To: letsgonova19087

My first thought was this will be about Saddam having research on a Nuclear Bomb that has been discovered.


367 posted on 11/02/2006 8:09:30 PM PST by no dems (Duncan Hunter for Prez / Tony Snow for VEEP in '08)
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To: mwl1

Yes, from National Review

The New York Times just tore the heart out of the antiwar argument, and they are apparently completely oblivous to it.

http://tks.nationalreview.com/


368 posted on 11/02/2006 8:12:00 PM PST by gb63
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To: gb63

Yes, but is it possible that our logic will see the light of day with the MSM? Will the Administration be given a chance to point out the obvious?


369 posted on 11/02/2006 8:14:35 PM PST by mwl1
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To: gb63
Check out this little quote,“For the U.S. to toss a match into this flammable area is very irresponsible,” said A. Bryan Siebert, a former director of classification at the federal Department of Energy, which runs the nation’s nuclear arms program. “There’s a lot of things about nuclear weapons that are secret and should remain so.”

I guess Saddam should have been more careful with his secret nuke program.
370 posted on 11/02/2006 8:15:13 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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Oh, so now they've suddenly discovered the 48,000 boxes of documents. What about the document that shows that Saddam was trying to recruit suicide bombers to attack American interests in the spring of '01, NYT?
371 posted on 11/02/2006 8:18:54 PM PST by alnick
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To: gb63
Yes, from National Review

My favorite lines from the National Review article:

The antiwar crowd is going to have to argue that the information somehow wasn't dangerous in the hands of Saddam Hussein, but was dangerous posted on the Internet...

...The information in these documents is so dangerous, that every step must be taken to ensure it doesn't end up in the wrong hands... except for toppling the regime that actually has the documents.
372 posted on 11/02/2006 8:20:38 PM PST by TheCornerOffice
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To: section9

You are exactly correct and if Saddam kept the know how this long and combined with the fact that he tried to buy Uranium from Niger then he had the intent to build a nuke weapon and probably on a fast track to keep up with his Jones', the Iranians.


373 posted on 11/02/2006 8:20:59 PM PST by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: tobyhill
“There’s a lot of things about nuclear weapons that are secret and should remain so.”
Yes, I do agree it would be better to keep as much secret as possible. But many years ago, I found an underground book that showed how to make a bomb. It was widely sold during the hippie years. In case the Feds read this, I lost it back then, and I know nothing, nothing, I say! Nowdays, the information and a dollar will get you a cup of coffee....
374 posted on 11/02/2006 8:21:50 PM PST by gb63
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To: gb63

Wow, this NRO piece is GREAT!
I cannot believe how the Dimocrats think they are going to really bury us and then end up shooting themselves in the foot.
By tomorrow afternoon, I can gurantee you this, People will start to believe that Rove was behind it.
What a magnificent bastard!


375 posted on 11/02/2006 8:23:57 PM PST by JerseyDvl ("If you attack Americans, we'll defend your right to do it."- The Democrat Party)
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To: JerseyDvl

We all need to thank mwll post 364 for pointing this out.


376 posted on 11/02/2006 8:26:18 PM PST by gb63
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To: letsgonova19087
There were no WMDs in Iraq, and there is no evidence that Saddam was researching them or working to acquire them, but when evidence of said research is posted publically, it might help other badguys with research, even though there is no evidence of WMDs in Iraq, and the other guys were further along in their nuke program?

Yep. The average Joe is going to hear this, hear Old Media spin it as Anti-Bush, and say to themselves, "Wait a minute. I thought Saddam was a harmless old man with no WMD or nuke program. You mean to tell me that he was dangerous after all? Well then, President Bush was right all along."

377 posted on 11/02/2006 8:30:10 PM PST by alnick
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To: mwl1

Gracias mwll :) It's the first time I have seen concrete proof that Bush was RIGHT!
Some poor fool inside the NYT was convinced this would help their socialist revolution and really screwed up.


378 posted on 11/02/2006 8:31:24 PM PST by JerseyDvl ("If you attack Americans, we'll defend your right to do it."- The Democrat Party)
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To: All
The DUmmies are buying the spin. I'm not surprised, but, man, I wonder how long before they figure out this article is going to backfire on them bigtime. They're not all too quick over there apparently.
379 posted on 11/02/2006 8:35:02 PM PST by sizzlemeister
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To: ash-housewares; Peach; jveritas; jwalsh07; ladyinred; EQAndyBuzz; Marine_Uncle; ...

"The Bush administration did so under pressure from Congressional Republicans who said they hoped to “leverage the Internet” to find new evidence of the prewar dangers posed by Saddam Hussein."
The implication being than they wanted to “manufacture” dangers instead of looking for the proof of what they already had a good idea about.

"Last spring, after the site began posting old Iraqi documents about chemical weapons, United Nations arms-control officials in New York won the withdrawal of a report that gave information on how to make tabun and sarin, nerve agents that kill by causing respiratory failure."
So Iraq had manuals for making tabun and sarin, tons of chemical agents, the equipment for processing it, chemical suits and factories but didn’t actually put it all together? I am not buying it.

"The campaign for the online archive was mounted by conservative publications and politicians, who argued that the nation’s spy agencies had failed adequately to analyze the 48,000 boxes of documents seized since the March 2003 invasion."
Why aren’t ALL media outlets interested? Is this a reflection more on conservatives being more interested in history or proving liberal media bias? Also, those in the know will confirm that recovered boxes have absolutely not been adequately analyzed and I don’t know of anyone even pretending that they have been.

"The Web site, “Operation Iraqi Freedom Document Portal,” was a constantly expanding portrait of prewar Iraq. Its many thousands of documents included everything from a collection of religious and nationalistic poetry to instructions for the repair of parachutes to handwritten notes from Mr. Hussein’s intelligence service. It became a popular quarry for a legion of bloggers, translators and amateur historians."
Correct, a full blackout from the mainstream media who has acted curiously uninterested in the documents.

"Among the dozens of documents in English were Iraqi reports written in the 1990’s and in 2002 for United Nations inspectors in charge of making sure Iraq abandoned its unconventional arms programs after the Persian Gulf war. Experts say that at the time, Mr. Hussein’s scientists were on the verge of building an atom bomb, as little as a year away."
Saddam was a year away in the 90’s or in 2002?

"European diplomats said this week that some of those nuclear documents on the Web site were identical to the ones presented to the United Nations Security Council in late 2002, as America got ready to invade Iraq. But unlike those on the Web site, the papers given to the Security Council had been extensively edited, to remove sensitive information on unconventional arms."
So information about Iraq’s weapons programs, that wasn’t turned over to the proper authorities, was only discovered post invasion?

"In Europe, a senior diplomat said atomic experts there had studied the nuclear documents on the Web site and judged their public release as potentially dangerous. “It’s a cookbook,” said the diplomat, who spoke on condition of anonymity because of his agency’s rules. “If you had this, it would short-circuit a lot of things.”
Obviously the Iraqis were farther along than everyone knew or this wouldn’t be surprising to anyone. Right????

"Peter D. Zimmerman, a physicist and former United States government arms scientist now at the war studies department of King’s College, London, called the posted material “very sensitive, much of it undoubtedly secret restricted data.”
Ray E. Kidder, a senior nuclear physicist at the Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory in California, an arms design center, said “some things in these documents would be helpful” to nations aspiring to develop nuclear weapons and should have remained secret."
So the public has never been told of Saddam’s full nuclear capabilities? When were we going to find out? Wouldn’t that information change the way people view the war?

"Some intelligence officials feared that individual documents, translated and interpreted by amateurs, would be used out of context to second-guess the intelligence agencies’ view that Mr. Hussein did not have unconventional weapons or substantive ties to Al Qaeda. Reviewing the documents for release would add an unnecessary burden on busy intelligence analysts, they argued."
Talk about CYA. What’s more important, the truth or the reputation of our intelligence agencies?

"Some of the first posted documents dealt with Iraq’s program to make germ weapons, followed by a wave of papers on chemical arms."
But...but....I thought Iraq didn’t ever have or know how to make such things? In all seriousness, these manuals being passed to terrorists were one of the major reasons for removing Saddam.

"At the United Nations in New York, the chemical papers raised alarms at the Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission, which had been in charge of searching Iraq for all unconventional arms, save the nuclear ones."
If UNMOVIC knew what was going on then none of these findings should be a surprise. Apparently they didn’t.

"In April, diplomats said, the commission’s acting chief weapons inspector, Demetrius Perricos, lodged an objection with the United States mission to the United Nations over the document that dealt with the nerve agents tabun and sarin.
Soon, the document vanished from the Web site. On June 8, diplomats said, Mr. Perricos told the Security Council of how risky arms information had shown up on a public Web site and how his agency appreciated the American cooperation in resolving the matter."
What else has been suppressed in the name of unknown international bureaucrats?


380 posted on 11/02/2006 8:36:59 PM PST by ikez78 (www.regimeofterror.com)
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