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Evolution wins out in Michigan science curriculum debate
mlive.com (Michigan News) ^ | 10 October 2006 | TIM MARTIN

Posted on 10/10/2006 10:00:04 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

The State Board of Education on Tuesday approved public school curriculum guidelines that support the teaching of evolution in science classes — but not intelligent design.

Intelligent design instruction could be left for other classes in Michigan schools. But it shouldn't have a home in science class, based on the unanimously adopted guidelines.

"The intent of the board needs to be very clear," said board member John Austin, an Ann Arbor Democrat. "Evolution is not under stress. It is not untested science."

Some science groups and the American Civil Liberties Union had worried that state standards would not be strong enough to prevent the discussion of intelligent design as the course expectations developed over the summer.

Intelligent design's proponents hold that living organisms are so complex they must have been created by a higher force rather than evolving from more primitive forms.

Some want science teachers to teach that Darwin's theory of evolution is not a fact and has gaps.

The curriculum expectations are being developed by the state board as Michigan moves toward stricter high school graduation requirements.

Starting with the class graduating in 2011, Michigan students will have to take four years of math and English, three of science and social studies and one each of physical education and arts. They'll also have to complete some type of online experience.

Two credits of foreign language also will be required, but that requirement will be phased in starting with the class of 2016.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
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To: PatrickHenry

Good. ID is losing the battle.


141 posted on 10/10/2006 12:24:18 PM PDT by Blackirish
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To: cookcounty
I don't suppose you even considered the corollary to your sincerely bizarre statement -- that God has been "torturing animals" since the time that "sin entered" the world.
142 posted on 10/10/2006 12:24:53 PM PDT by atlaw
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To: Just mythoughts

Even better!

"At our best, we're not even animals... we're trash! Our highest aspirations, our hopes and dreams, our best efforts are not even mediocre, they're foul!"

Yeah, that'll jack up the level of morality *real* high.


143 posted on 10/10/2006 12:25:52 PM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: Blackirish
Good. ID is losing the battle.

They lost all the science arguments generations ago. But there are always those who don't seem to figure it out.

144 posted on 10/10/2006 12:25:59 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Just mythoughts
Yes I am familiar with that word demonstrates, it takes 'designers' to do the action or to demonstrate, and modern day designer has NO evidence only make believe fantasies about who was doing what.

Now you're not making sense.

If you can articulate your position in English, I might be able to respond to it.

145 posted on 10/10/2006 12:28:30 PM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: highball
You might believe that prime numbers can be divided by a number other than themselves or one, but that doesn't mean your belief should be taught in schools.

I believe any number can be divided by any number. It may not come out an integer, but I believe it can be done.

146 posted on 10/10/2006 12:29:42 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: orionblamblam; Just mythoughts
Yeah, that'll jack up the level of morality *real* high.

It is not the job of science to "jack up" morality. That's another subject altogether.

What is the moral stance of prime numbers? Tectonic plates? Subject-verb agreement? What do those to do "jack up" morality?

147 posted on 10/10/2006 12:30:43 PM PDT by highball (Proud to announce the birth of little Highball, Junior - Feb. 7, 2006!)
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To: Always Right

except zero...


148 posted on 10/10/2006 12:32:08 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: Just mythoughts

""Evolution wins out in Michigan science curriculum debate"

Big time slip here in that truth is out it is evolution that wins not the truth or the children."

Good point and true


149 posted on 10/10/2006 12:33:37 PM PDT by RoadTest (He that rebuketh a man, afterward shall find more favor than he that flattereth with the tongue.Prov)
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To: Just mythoughts
It's ok to be honest, else why is it called evolutionary biology... 'reproduction'??? It is a HOT steamy critter crossing sex theory!!!!

Maybe to some people, but I've personally never been to a stag party where they showed films of dinoflagellate endosymbiosis in foraminifera plankton...

150 posted on 10/10/2006 12:37:31 PM PDT by Quark2005 (Religion is the key to knowing the spiritual world; Science is the key to knowing the physical world)
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To: Lunatic Fringe

Evolution should be taught in religion class. It already stands side by side with Islam in California as yet another state religion.


151 posted on 10/10/2006 12:38:01 PM PDT by RoadTest (He that rebuketh a man, afterward shall find more favor than he that flattereth with the tongue.Prov)
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To: LibertarianSchmoe

Actually, there is a very advanced view of the morality created by evolutionary theory. It's called evolutionary psychology. Although not complete, it does provide a framework for observed morality.

I recommend Robert Wright's, "The Moral Animal".


152 posted on 10/10/2006 12:42:01 PM PDT by zencat (The universe is not what it appears, nor is it something else.)
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To: highball

Name one? Will these suffice?

http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_as_platetectonicsl/

http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v10/i2/information.asp

http://www.icr.org/index.php?module=research&action=index&page=researchp_jb_largescaletectonics

http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_as_igneousbodies/

http://www.icr.org/research/index/researchp_lv_r05/

http://www.bryancore.org/bsg/opbsg/003.pdf

http://answersingenesis.org/tj/v13/i1/crater.asp

http://www.bryancore.org/bsg/opbsg/006.html


153 posted on 10/10/2006 12:45:43 PM PDT by Theo (Global warming "scientists." Pro-evolution "scientists." They're both wrong.)
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To: RoadTest
Evolution should be taught in religion class. It already stands side by side with Islam in California as yet another state religion.

Proof positive that evolution is not a religion: in a lot of evolution and related classes in grad school, not once did they pass the plate!

154 posted on 10/10/2006 12:51:36 PM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: highball
By the way, what's the "morality" of long division? Subject-verb agreement?

The remainder and avoiding disputes, respectively.

155 posted on 10/10/2006 12:54:24 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: All
ID is an interesting concept. Just one thing bothers me, How did the "Designer" come to existence? This being must have been the beginnings of life, but how? Hmmmmm.
156 posted on 10/10/2006 12:56:33 PM PDT by Realism (Some believe that the facts-of-life are open to debate.....)
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To: Theo
If you'd spend even one minute googling for IDers' theories, you'd be surprised by how many scientifically sound Creationist theories are out there.

OK, present your two best (but different) Creationist theories; how each one differs from the other; and how what observations falsfify both.

157 posted on 10/10/2006 12:57:58 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: highball

> It is not the job of science to "jack up" morality.

According to some, it apparently *is* (read back up the thread). The ignornat complaint has been repeatedly made here and elsewhere that the reason why kids act wild is that evolutionists have told them that they are Just Animals.

Stupid? You bet. But what do you expect from people who fight tooth and nail against the idea of Cause And Effect reigning in science class?


158 posted on 10/10/2006 12:59:17 PM PDT by orionblamblam (Prayers... give people the feeling they're doing something without making any real effort.)
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To: Realism

Designed by a deeper turtle.


159 posted on 10/10/2006 1:00:00 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch ist der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: Realism

"How did the "Designer" come to existence?"

It's turtles....all the way down.


160 posted on 10/10/2006 1:01:27 PM PDT by MineralMan (Non-evangelical Atheist)
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