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Evolution wins out in Michigan science curriculum debate
mlive.com (Michigan News) ^ | 10 October 2006 | TIM MARTIN

Posted on 10/10/2006 10:00:04 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

The State Board of Education on Tuesday approved public school curriculum guidelines that support the teaching of evolution in science classes — but not intelligent design.

Intelligent design instruction could be left for other classes in Michigan schools. But it shouldn't have a home in science class, based on the unanimously adopted guidelines.

"The intent of the board needs to be very clear," said board member John Austin, an Ann Arbor Democrat. "Evolution is not under stress. It is not untested science."

Some science groups and the American Civil Liberties Union had worried that state standards would not be strong enough to prevent the discussion of intelligent design as the course expectations developed over the summer.

Intelligent design's proponents hold that living organisms are so complex they must have been created by a higher force rather than evolving from more primitive forms.

Some want science teachers to teach that Darwin's theory of evolution is not a fact and has gaps.

The curriculum expectations are being developed by the state board as Michigan moves toward stricter high school graduation requirements.

Starting with the class graduating in 2011, Michigan students will have to take four years of math and English, three of science and social studies and one each of physical education and arts. They'll also have to complete some type of online experience.

Two credits of foreign language also will be required, but that requirement will be phased in starting with the class of 2016.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy
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To: Lunatic Fringe

You teach children they are animals then take the responsibility when they act like animals. There is no morality in evolution.


81 posted on 10/10/2006 11:22:21 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Nobody has ever made the assertion that humans evolved from monkeys. Nice try. OK, we evolved from common ancestors of apes. Is that better?
82 posted on 10/10/2006 11:24:59 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Just mythoughts

So ID *is* about teaching morality and religion in public schools.

Thanks for confirming my suspicions.


83 posted on 10/10/2006 11:25:02 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: Always Right

It would be more accurate to say humans and apes both evolved from a common ancestor.


84 posted on 10/10/2006 11:26:38 AM PDT by Lunatic Fringe (Say "NO" to the Trans-Texas Corridor)
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To: PatrickHenry
Doesn't mean a thing. The Witch Doctors don't see bad news. There can be no bad news. Victory is inevitable. Prepare to be assimilated.


85 posted on 10/10/2006 11:27:22 AM PDT by VadeRetro (A systematic investigation of nature does not negotiate with crackpots.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
Hey look at the results, there has been NO morality or 'Christian God allowed in the public school system for decades, so sure can't blame ID'ers or anyone else for the depravity of the public school system.

You all want the doctrine then at least be willing to take the assessment of what your doctrine has "REPRODUCED"!!!

Evolution reigns supreme, course it does get dressed in a clinical term call science.
86 posted on 10/10/2006 11:29:29 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: Just mythoughts
There is no morality in evolution.

Nor in chemistry and physics. Why should there be? They are all sciences, not religion.

87 posted on 10/10/2006 11:30:07 AM PDT by Coyoteman (I love the sound of beta decay in the morning!)
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To: Ichneumon
For historic reference this is what Dini's webpage read before and after the story orignially broke.

BEFORE: I will ask you: "How do you think the human species originated?" If you cannot truthfully and forthrightly affirm a scientific answer to this question, then you should not seek my recommendation for admittance to further education in the biomedical sciences.

AFTER: I will ask you: "How do you account for the scientific origin of the human species?" If you will not give a scientific answer to this question, then you should not seek my recommendation.

Typical that you have to resort to personal attacks of calling me a liar. But anyways to me the first one is a religious test asking for an affirmation of your beliefs, the second one asks for a scientific explaination. You may disagree, but to call me a liar is just pure bullcrap. Dini backtracked for a reason.

88 posted on 10/10/2006 11:31:53 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Ichneumon
Religous freedom. Public schools shouldn't be pushing any religion over the others.

What religion is ID?

Cordially,

89 posted on 10/10/2006 11:31:57 AM PDT by Diamond
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To: Just mythoughts
There is no morality in evolution.

Can you name one scientific theory that DOES contain a "moral message"? What's so special about the ToE?

90 posted on 10/10/2006 11:32:34 AM PDT by LibertarianSchmoe ("...yeah, but, that's different!" - mating call of the North American Ten-Toed Hypocrite)
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To: PatrickHenry

It's a debate? What kind of science is that?


91 posted on 10/10/2006 11:33:37 AM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the law of the excluded middle)
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To: PatrickHenry

Woo Hoo!


92 posted on 10/10/2006 11:34:29 AM PDT by Junior (Losing faith in humanity one person at a time.)
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To: Lunatic Fringe
It would be more accurate to say humans and apes both evolved from a common ancestor.

OK then, and who exactly observed that? To me scientific theory should be based on observation and repeatable tests. That ranks as sciences best guess.

93 posted on 10/10/2006 11:35:10 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Coyoteman

So. Chemistry and physics are not in the same realm as humanity.


94 posted on 10/10/2006 11:35:13 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: LibertarianSchmoe
TOE is not special to me, but it is to the preening intellectuals that are at the pinnacle of survival off government welfare.
95 posted on 10/10/2006 11:36:51 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: orionblamblam
"Survival of the fittest, baby!

ID just can't cut it.

...well, not with liberal judges, it can't.

96 posted on 10/10/2006 11:36:54 AM PDT by cookcounty (Coach Hastert: Stop acting like a Dhimmicrat!!!)
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To: Just mythoughts
You teach children they are animals then take the responsibility when they act like animals. There is no morality in evolution.

Nor is there morality in geology, hydrography, thermodynamics, or metallurgy. Investigating morality is not a function of science. It's a function of philosophy.

97 posted on 10/10/2006 11:39:00 AM PDT by Caesar Soze
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To: LibertarianSchmoe
Scientific theory is just that theory, evolution has become elevated to a supernatural state, mess with their funding and it is like the wrath of a politician about to loose an election.
98 posted on 10/10/2006 11:39:05 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: PatrickHenry
Mine.

Rhymes with prime.

99 posted on 10/10/2006 11:40:50 AM PDT by Hoplite
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To: Hoplite

D'oh!


100 posted on 10/10/2006 11:41:09 AM PDT by Hoplite
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