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Lawmaker Wants Teachers Armed With Guns ( FReep a Poll )
The Associated Press ^ | October 5, 2006 | Rep. Lasee

Posted on 10/05/2006 8:10:28 AM PDT by george76

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To: george76
legislation that would allow teachers, principals, administrators and other school personnel to carry concealed weapons.

It seems quite a few FReeprs thinks this means all teachers must be armed.

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If a teacher has obtained, on their own, a CCW permit, there is no reason they should not be allowed to do so in class.

When I was in high school, the parking lot was filled with pickup trucks with guns in in the racks, and I doubt seriously any of them were 'registered'.

Funny....I don't remember a single case of a school shooting back then.

41 posted on 10/05/2006 9:07:00 AM PDT by MamaTexan (~If we won't trust a teacher with a gun, why are we trusting them with our children?~)
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To: george76
I've now read almost all the posts in this thread (except for those which will be posted while I'm writing, lol) and if the same amount of misinformation and confusion not to mention conflicted emotions are present in that state legislature as I've seen here...that bill is DOA.

I'm a veteran teacher in an inner city school. We used to be a lot more violent than we are now. A couple of years ago, based on a student population of about 1800 we had over seven THOUSAND outdoor suspensions in a single school year and it was probably the same 100 kids. Besides a couple of the sergeants over in JROTC...I'm the only person in this school qualified enough to be armed. The kids know it too. So if an announcement were made that certain unnamed staff members were armed in case of emergency that would be a no brainer for this student body.

Most teachers are liberal democrats. Even the Republican's tend to be moderates or only fiscal types. Most are antigun as well. It's not a good situation and this is true across the nation. Texas, too. lol

The only answer is to recruit future teachers from the ranks of combat experienced returning veterans. Recruiting teachers from the folks who are combat experienced SEALs, Rangers, or Marines is an ideal scenario. They know what to do. They know how to do the job and they've done it before and likely in an urbanized environment. They understand picking a specific target and they know fire discipline. They won't dawldle around outside a school waiting to see what the entire situation seems to be (Columbine). They will move to contact and ummmm solve the problem.

42 posted on 10/05/2006 9:09:17 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: kx9088

I just looked into it a little further and the Revised Code of Washington states that if you are convicted of carrying a firearm onto school grounds you will lose your CCW permit for three years. Also, anyone between the ages of 12 and 21 caught carrying a firearm onto school grounds SHALL be held in confinement in juvie or adult jail for 72 hours, and SHALL NOT be released until examined by a "mental health professional". The libs believe that if you have a firearm and bring it onto school grounds you must be a loon.


43 posted on 10/05/2006 9:09:30 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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To: george76

It should be mandatory, not just allowed.


44 posted on 10/05/2006 9:19:49 AM PDT by 6ppc (Call Photo Reuters, that's the name, and away goes truth right down the drain. Photo Reuters!)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; Aggie Mama; agrace; Antoninus; bboop; blu; cgk; Clintonfatigued; ...
PING!

Should schoolteachers be armed and ready?

This ping list is for the "other" articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. If you want on/off this list, please freepmail me. The main Homeschool Ping List by DaveLoneRanger handles the homeschool-specific articles.

45 posted on 10/05/2006 9:28:31 AM PDT by Tired of Taxes (That's taxes, not Texas. I have no beef with TX. NJ has the highest property taxes in the nation.)
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To: Tired of Taxes

The teacher who raped a student in a previous posting would have liked this.


46 posted on 10/05/2006 9:43:49 AM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Nihilism is at the heart of Islamic culture)
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To: george76

Oh, I LOVE your shirt. Where did you get it??? Must have one for the next 4th of July parade and target practice.


47 posted on 10/05/2006 10:46:05 AM PDT by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: twigs
The more taxes go up, the more hours parents must work just to cover the basics. And the less time they have to be the parents they are needed to be. Which, in turn, causes them to place more and more of the responsibility for their children in the hands of the state. Someone has this figured out. It all ties together.

Damm if the light bulb didn't just turn on! Excellent observation.

48 posted on 10/05/2006 11:07:58 AM PDT by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: ExSoldier

"Most teachers are liberal democrats. Even the Republican's tend to be moderates or only fiscal types. Most are antigun as well. It's not a good situation and this is true across the nation. Texas, too."

Blanket statements as such should always have some kind of verification attached to them. Otherwise it's just a blanket statement that makes no sense. You can speak for your situation but not for others.


49 posted on 10/05/2006 11:10:38 AM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: george76

Should schools allow teachers, principals, administrators and other school personnel to carry concealed weapons?
Choice Votes Percentage of 6966 Votes
Yes 2869 41%
No 4097 59%


50 posted on 10/05/2006 11:17:03 AM PDT by 300magnum (We know that if evil is not confronted, it gains in strength and audacity, and returns to strike us)
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To: swmobuffalo
Okay, you figure it out: I'm employed in the fourth largest school system in the nation. Maybe I don't speak for Podunk, USA but I think my situation is indicative of the majority of urban schools. I'm a member of the Republican Action Committee inside my union. The numbers are there, Dems outnumber 'Pubbies well in excess of two to one. That's just the union. Not all teachers are union members. In the seventeen years I've taught in five different schools and at countless seminars (one of which saw me banned from future events for a statement that was pro Second Amendment) I've run into about 20 seriously conservative individuals.
51 posted on 10/05/2006 11:22:11 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: george76
Our assistant superintendent is a Lt. Colonel in the Army....of all people allowed to carry a gun in our school I think she would be qualified....I did see a picture of her with an AK-47, that works too....
52 posted on 10/05/2006 11:26:37 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: the lastbestlady
Agree. People who have CCW permits and have passed a police background check are just the right group to be armed. Others are saying every school should have a guard. Well, many schools are large complexes. One guard cannot cover it. How many would we need? How much would that cost? Schools are essentially advertised unarmed victim zones. If some of the staff and teachers were armed, the victims could fight back and some of the perps would be taken by surprise.
53 posted on 10/05/2006 11:30:36 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: meandog
I'd be afraid of the urge by many of us teachers to turn it on some of our students.

You're a teacher? I hope you're being sarcastic. I carry a gun when I'm not at work as a teacher in an inner city senior high. When I carry I am extremely aware of my responsibilities to society to safely handle the firearm and use it only in the most dire of life threatening situations. Consequently, I am extra careful to neither give nor take offense at anything. I'm ultra courteous.

When I work, I'm sometimes irritated by the kids, but never truly angry. It would never occur to me to become physically violent with a student except in self defense. I have done this a number of times. Aikido is a wonderful martial art! In the classroom I'm extremely aware of my responsibilities and duties. Any teacher who is at risk of harming a student in an offensive manner which is to say by initiating violence shouldn't be teaching.

54 posted on 10/05/2006 11:37:13 AM PDT by ExSoldier (Democracy is 2 wolves and a lamb voting on dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote.)
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To: basil; dbwz; Ladysmith; spitter
WooHoo!!!


55 posted on 10/05/2006 11:38:56 AM PDT by 2nd amendment mama ( www.2asisters.org • Self defense is a basic human right!)
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To: george76

Yes 42%.

Works for Israel. They haven't lost any kids in schools since the '70's.


56 posted on 10/05/2006 11:42:45 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: ExSoldier

"I think my situation is indicative of the majority of urban schools. "

That's just it, you think, you don't know. My experience has been just the opposite. The libby contact has been minimal.


57 posted on 10/05/2006 11:57:14 AM PDT by swmobuffalo (The only good terrorist is a dead terrorist.)
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To: george76
Current results: 42% - Yes, 58% - No


58 posted on 10/05/2006 12:02:10 PM PDT by TChris (The United Nations is suffering from delusions of relevance.)
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To: george76

no..armed security guards is enough...the the positive side arming teachers would cause a lot of NEA leftists teachers to quit


59 posted on 10/05/2006 12:24:29 PM PDT by DontBelieveAugPolls
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[they should go through]..background checks.

Aren't those checks mandatory for teachers already?

60 posted on 10/05/2006 12:48:21 PM PDT by ozoneliar ("The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots & tyrants" -T.J.)
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