Posted on 09/15/2006 10:42:51 PM PDT by jdm
WASHINGTON - In his televised 9/11 address, President Bush said that we must not leave our children to face a Middle East overrun by terrorist states and radical dictators armed with nuclear weapons. Theres only one such current candidate: Iran.
The next day, he responded thus (as reported by Rich Lowry and Kate OBeirne of National Review) to a question on Iran: Its very important for the American people to see the president try to solve problems diplomatically before resorting to military force.
Before implies that the one follows the other. The signal is unmistakable. An aerial attack on Irans nuclear facilities lies just beyond the horizon of diplomacy. With the crisis advancing and the moment of truth approaching, it is important to begin looking now with unflinching honesty at the military option.
The costs will be terrible:
Economic: An attack on Iran will likely send oil prices overnight to $100 or even to $150 a barrel. That will cause a worldwide recession perhaps as deep as the one triggered by the Iranian revolution of 1979.
Iran might suspend its own 2.5 million barrels a day of oil exports, and might even be joined by Venezuelas Hugo Chavez, asserting primacy as the worlds leading anti-imperialist. But even more effectively, Iran will shock the oil markets by closing the Strait of Hormuz through which 40 percent of the worlds exports flow every day.
The U.S. Navy will be forced to break the blockade. We will succeed but at considerable cost. And it will take time - during which time the world economy will be in a deep spiral.
Military: Iran will activate its proxies in Iraq, most notably, Moqtada al-Sadrs Mahdi Army. Sadr is already wreaking havoc with sectarian attacks on Sunni civilians. Iran could order the Mahdi Army and its other agents within the police and armed forces to take up arms against the institutions of the central government itself, threatening the very anchor of the new Iraq. Many Mahdi will die, but they live to die. Many Iraqis and coalition soldiers are likely to die as well.
Among the lesser military dangers, Iran might activate terrorist cells around the world, although without nuclear capability that threat is hardly strategic. It will also be very difficult to unleash its proxy Hezbollah, now chastened by the destruction it brought upon Lebanon in the latest round with Israel and deterred by the presence of Europeans in the south Lebanon buffer zone.
Diplomatic: There will be massive criticism of America from around the world. Much of it is to be discounted. The Muslim street will come out again for a few days, having replenished its supply of flammable American flags most recently exhausted during the cartoon riots. Their governments will express solidarity with a fellow Muslim state, but this will be entirely hypocritical. The Arabs are terrified about the rise of a nuclear Iran and would privately rejoice in its defanging.
The Europeans will be less hypocritical because their visceral anti-Americanism trumps rational calculation. We will have done them an enormous favor by sparing them the threat of Iranian nukes, but they will vilify us nonetheless.
These are the costs. There is no denying them. However, equally undeniable is the cost of doing nothing.
In the region, Persian Iran will immediately become the hegemonic power in the Arab Middle East. Today it is deterred from overt aggression against its neighbors by the threat of conventional retaliation. Against a nuclear Iran, such deterrence becomes far less credible. As its weak, non-nuclear Persian Gulf neighbors accommodate to it, jihadist Iran will gain control of the most strategic region on the globe.
Then there is the larger danger of permitting nuclear weapons to be acquired by religious fanatics seized with an eschatological belief in the imminent apocalypse and in their own divine duty to hasten the End of Days.
The mullahs are infinitely more likely to use these weapons than anyone in the history of the nuclear age. Every city in the civilized world will live under the specter of instant annihilation delivered either by missile or by terrorist. This from a country that has an official Death to America Day and has declared since Ayatollah Khomeinis ascension that Israel must be wiped off the map.
Against millenarian fanaticism glorying in a cult of death, deterrence is a mere wish. Is the West prepared to wager its cities with their millions of inhabitants on that feeble gamble?
These are the questions. These are the calculations. The decision is no more than a year away.
Should we go after them, it should be with such overwhelming force, that they have nothing left to close the straits with.
Amen.
I'm quite afraid, yet sure it will take a mushroom cloud over DC for that to happen. I just hope it's not a Federal Holiday when it happens.
I know that's bad, but it will be the only hope for us to actually do it. This country had the will to do what was needed for all of 30 minutes after 9-11. Then, advisors from Foggy Bottom helped the President get up and talk about how islam is a Religion of Peace.
"Pretty bleak assessment but probable accurate."
I think it is overly bleak, though I agree this is the path we must need be on. We hold more cards than many think:
1) If we hit the Iranian gas refineries, it will cripple Iran's defenses within weeks.
2) No need for ground invasion , we only need to bottle them up.
3) We would need to eliminate the Iranian air force, and navy if we took on the nuclear sites. But this is fairly conventional warfare and it would be hard for Iran to recover its military infrastructure. The Straits of Hormuz could be taken out of the equation.
Of course, this requires total conventional warfare, more in the WWII tradition. Think of the bombing of Germany without an invasion.
If I know President Bush's character, he won't leave office without arriving at a solution-- diplomatic or otherwise, and I'm leaning toward a military solution. The U.N. is much too weak and fractionalized to deal a decisive blow to the Iranians.
http://www.aviationnow.com/avnow/news/channel_awst_story.jsp?id=news/aw091106p1.xml
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The Iranians purposefully have not followed Iraq's 1981 model of concentrating their nuclear development in a single area. They have distributed their nuclear development over numerous sites, including Bushehr, where a nuclear power plant is being built. Natanz is the site of a pilot fuel enrichment plant, and where a full-scale facility is under construction. Arak is the site of a research reactor and a heavy water production plant inaugurated in August.
While the multiplicity of sites makes drawing up a comprehensive target list more challenging, U.S. and Israel officials also suggest there are positive aspects to this. Not every nuclear-related site need be struck to hobble any nascent nuclear weapons program. The goal would be to select a few choke points.
"There are lots of links in the chain you can attack," says a former senior Israeli diplomat. "So how you define the mission is important. There may be 40 facilities [the total may be considerably higher], but you select only four. You don't have to attack all of them. For example, some targets are vulnerable to movement, like centrifuges. They need stability, so if you create enough [vibration or Earth tremors], their alignment can be distorted."
As the system expands or changes over time, additional small-scale attacks could further delay the effort, whenever it approaches a critical stage of development. While Israeli officials do not believe an Iranian nuclear weapons program can be stopped, they are convinced it could be slowed by years with the idea that time, negotiations, sanctions and perhaps changes in government could alter the desire to arm.
I suspect he'll launch an attack, everyone will condemn him, including his successor, who will privately thank his lucky stars Bush had 'nads.
Semper Fi
To take out Iran ?? ,,Bomb Their Desalination and
Water Filtration Plants FIRST .
Exactly. The real solution is to move into Iran and take the place with decisive force. After that, most of the things in the article won't happen. You don't want to attack Iran and then let it cause trouble in Iraq, close the Straits, fund more terrorism, etc. This stuff is not for the light hearted.
And there is an immense difficulty in assessing that in a closed political systems. Saddam offered little, Pajamaman won't either. Don't bet on the IAEA...
They Non Gratum Anus Rodentum ,,,FO'SHO.
I know that's bad, but it will be the only hope for us to actually do it. This country had the will to do what was needed for all of 30 minutes after 9-11. Then, advisors from Foggy Bottom helped the President get up and talk about how islam is a Religion of Peace.
Bingo!
This action:
on DC will have no impact on the American will to fight.
Gore The Dunce will blame it on global warming.
Kerry, Kennedy, Pelosi, and Murtha will say that we should have talked more instead of making Iran unhapppy.
The rest of America will shrug it off and sing kum-bay-ya; and only whine about gasoline prices going up 10 cents in East Bumfukc.
Outstanding.
We did. But no one seems to remember.
http://www.rense.com/general19/flame.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden_in_World_War_II
You guys have it right. Can I be on your team? That will make three of us that get it.
This is a question the left will not face but it will stick in our faces as long as we remain in power. The left will shout for a solution and then act to stop every step calculated to bring one about.
Kudos again to Krauthammer for having starkly stated the existential threat posed by a nuclearized Iran:
The mullahs are infinitely more likely to use these weapons than anyone in the history of the nuclear age. Every city in the civilized world will live under the specter of instant annihilation delivered either by missile or by terrorist. This from a country that has an official Death to America Day and has declared since Ayatollah Khomeinis ascension that Israel must be wiped off the map.
A nuclear Iran means an entire change in the balance of power around the world. It means the loss of American influence everywhere particularly in the Persian Gulf. It means China and Russia perhaps in league with Iran, Venezuela, and God knows who else, will be emboldened to act against American interests. Terrorism will be very difficult to stop and the whole of the Middle East will be cast into the maelstrom. Europe will act precisely as it did in the 1930s.
That's the easy part. Consider how long our republic can last as a democracy after the first terrorist nuclear bomb goes off in Pittsburgh followed by demands to accede to sharia law. Sons of liberty, we will surely resist after the destruction of one city but then Oakland will be turned into glass, followed by another demand anonymously delivered over the Internet. We know not where to retaliate. The left in America forces us to capitulate and we are now essentially a fascist Muslim state.
It must be the live or die policy aim of the United States to prevent Iran getting the bomb.
No parallel in history is perfect, but one cannot forget the parallels with the course of history in Europe in the 1930s. Krauthammer, although an admirable man in so many respects is not Churchill, but his message must not go unheeded as Churchill's did.
Zipper has posted an important insight: George Bush will not leave office without having dealt with this problem.
I have often railed against George Bush on domestic matters and I have posted what follows concerning who he is:
"The problem with George Bush is that he is not primarily a conservative, he is primarily a Christian, and he does not have a calculus that is congruent with yours or mine, even though both of us might be Christians.
George Bush sees partisan politics as petty and ultimately meaningless. We see partisanship as the indispensable stuff of freedom. At election time the Bushes will hold their nose and dip into partisanship. But it is not in their essential nature to wage war for tactical political advantage.
George Bush wants what Bill Clinton wanted: To fashion a legacy. He does not want to be remembered as the man who cut a few percentage points from an appropriation bill but as the man who reshaped Social Security. I've come to the conclusion that the Bushes see politics as squirmy, fetid. It must be indulged in if one is to practice statesmanship but it is statesmanship alone that that is worthy as a calling.
They are honest, they are loyal, they are patrician. There would've been admired and respected if had lived among the founding fathers. But it is Laura Bush and Momma Bush who really and truly speak for the family and who tell us what they are thinking and who they are. There's not a Bush woman who does not believe in abortion. They believe in family, they live in loyalty, they believe in the tribe, but they do not believe in partisan politics.
I believe it is time for us to decide no longer to be used by the Bush family as useful idiots and instead to begin to use the Bushes as our useful idiots . I say this with the utmost admiration and respect for everything the Bushes stand for. Who would not be proud beyond description to have a father or an uncle who was among the first and youngest of naval aviators to fight in the Pacific and to be twice shot down. Not a stain or blemish of corruption or personal peccadillo has touched the family(except for the brother whom I believe was cleared of bank charges). They are the living embodiment of all that is good and noble in the American tradition.
But they are not conservative."
We must see this coming conflict and Bush's view of it with the understanding that he essentially is a Christian. All of the factors which work against Bush on an everyday level work in favor of Bush on this transcendental question. He will rise to this occasion because he is above politics. This is the very nestle for his greatness and I believe with Zipper that he will rise up from it and stand alone against his own Congress and the rest of the world to do the right thing as he sees it in his Christian soul.
If he does not, we had better look to saving our asses individually.
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