Posted on 08/11/2006 6:36:37 AM PDT by Agent Smith
I ask my fellow freepers indulgence for this vanity, because I believe it is too important to be buried in the back of the forum.
Can a good Muslim be a good American? I sent that question to a friend who worked in Saudi Arabia for 20 years.
The following is his reply:
Theologically - no. Because his allegiance is to Allah, the moon god of Arabia.
Religiously - no. Because no other religion is accepted by his Allah except Islam (Quran, 2:256)
Scripturally - no. Because his allegiance is to the five pillars of Islam and the Quran (Koran).
Geographically - no. Because his allegiance is to Mecca, to which he turns in prayer five times a day.
Socially - no. Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.
Politically - no. Because he must submit to the mullah (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and Destruction of America, the great Satan.
Domestically - no. Because he is instructed to marry four women and beat and scourge his wife when she disobeys him (Quran 4:34).
Intellectually - no. Because he cannot accept the American Constitution since it is based on Biblical principles and he believes the Bible to be corrupt.
Philosophically - no. Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.
Spiritually - no. Because when we declare "one nation under God," the Christian's God is loving and kind, while Allah is NEVER referred to as heavenly father, nor is he ever called love in The Quran's 99 excellent names.
Therefore after much study and deliberation...perhaps we should be very suspicious of ALL MUSLIMS in this country. They obviously cannot be both "good" Muslims and good Americans. Call it what you wish...it's still the truth. The more who understand this, the better it will be for our country and our future. The war is bigger than most Americans know or understand.
Identify. Collect. Deport.
Nothing in the Constitution allows for guilt by association. No matter what you think of Russians under Stalin, they're not guilty in any American sense of the word.
Are Muslims guilty of a crime, yes or no. If yes, then what.
"I don't care what they do in Baghdad."
Well I and my fellow Marines, Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and their families and friends do care!
Especially those sevice men and women who have paid the ultimate price.
Of course, if you have never served and/or didn't lose a family member or friend on 9/11 and/or since; you probably wouldn't care!
Typical selfish Freeper response, if it doesn't affect me personally then "I don't care."
Well for your sake, I hope the next 9/11 type terrorist attack and/or the WOT doesn't kill a friend and/or family member...
but if it does; maybe THEN you WILL finally care.
Semper Fi,
Kelly
Shall we follow their example, or would you prefer they follow ours?
I would define devout as not a nut job.
Fundamentalists of any religion are nut jobs in my view.
Sorry if I hurt any feelings but take a close look at the behavior of radicals of any religion and their rejection of any thought process that varies from their own and come to your own conclusion.
"So what do you propose to do with the 4 to 6 million American muslims?"
Identify. Collect. Deport.
Very sad, to find this kind of nonsense on a site devoted to preserving our freedoms.
Does the simple fact of an individuals advocacy of Communism, National Socialism, or the Thuggie death cult make them a domestic enemy of the United States? Just curious.
Depends on what one means by 'good Muslim' and 'good American', I suppose.
I know! I know!
I'm just blowing off steam.
What's really going to happen is we won't do a damn thing until Jihad comes full force into the streets of America.
Then we'll have a Police State and urban warfare in every city with large Muslim populations.
Your statements grow more and more ridiculous.
Now, you reduce American Muslims to a kind of sub-human level, all because they don't jump up and run to Iraq to face down Moqtada al-Sadr.
You're reduced to silly non-sequiturs to make your points.
Why is an American Muslim to blame for what some nutbag in Iraq or Somalia does?
Did you condemn those two white "Christian" men in Phoenix who shot, at random, six Hispanics?
If you didn't, why not?
And what are YOU doing to keep white Christian men from committing serial murder?
Under what law? And where do you propose we 'deport' those who are American born?
While I'm doing doing that, perhaps you can weigh in on whether or not Raider, Dahmer, Burowitz, Bundy, etc. were all all "civilized" because they were simply Americans before they were convicted.
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All muslim school? A bit disingenuous there zookie...it's a public HS and the fact is that the two muslim American terrorists were described in the same terms as those you use to describe your muslim friends.
I think the government is going to use this as an excuse to strip us of our citizen rights. Most people love peace and safety :( BTW, I moved to a very rural area just for that reason.
It was equally sad to see that we needed to do similar things in WWII.
War is sad.
A wartime-powers act.
And where do you propose we 'deport' those who are American born?
Greenland.
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When did you become a 'big brother' 1984 conspiracy theorist?
"I don't care what they do in Baghdad."
Well I and my fellow Marines, Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen and their families and friends do care!
Especially those sevice men and women who have paid the ultimate price.
Of course, if you have never served and/or didn't lose a family member or friend on 9/11 and/or since; you probably wouldn't care!
Typical selfish Freeper response, if it doesn't affect me personally then "I don't care."
Well for your sake, I hope the next 9/11 type terrorist attack and/or the WOT doesn't kill a friend and/or family member...
but if it does; maybe THEN you WILL finally care.
Semper Fi,
Kelly
Way to take my quote out of context there, Kelly.
I don't care what they do in Baghdad because I don't let Baghdad define freedom. I don't want to let Baghdad's public policy become our public policy.
And, not that it matters, but I lost several friends in 9/11. Most New Yorkers did, at least those of us that work in the financial industry. It makes me value freedom all the more, and makes me less likely to look to Baghdad as an example of what American society ought to be.
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