Posted on 08/09/2006 5:44:39 AM PDT by Marius3188
Yes in Spain, but a Belgium man(Charles Martel) saved Europe as a whole.
"...the Guardian"
This article is junk jounalism and complete hogwash.
We have countless documents concerning Columbus, many from his own hand and from these we learn of a very educated man, a man with a sense of fairness, and a superb sailor.
But the Guardian grabs onto a scrap of something "new" and runs it up the flagpole like it stands alone.
Hmmmm.
He'd worked earlier for Rene d'Anjou, cousin of the King of France and, as it turns out, grandfather/uncle to both Isabella and Ferdinand, and, later on, Elizabeth of England. Rene's brotherinlaw was King of England.
No doubt Columbus was looked at with great suspicion by many Spaniards!
In any case, I'm sure it was Bush's fault.....
No doubt they were first on the boat when the Caribbean was discovered.
One of my favorite books growing up was "The Velvet Doublet" by James Street. It vividly describes the meaness and arrogance of Columbus and how it all fit in to the terror wreaked by the Roman Catholic Church on Spanish Jews and Moors.
columbus did have his enemies,obviously. If the document is real for good reason. But, one of those enemies or more could have pulled a Mary Mapes as well and the document could be a forgery. We should give Columbus a fair chance before blackening his name.
Yet nowhere in the article (as far a I could tell) was there:
a) The word "produced", i.e. "Spanish historians produced a 48 page document..." We are told they found this thing, but not produced it to the general public.
b) The article doesn't quote -- or even refer to -- any others but these particular Spanish historians. So much for peer review. Maybe b/c, for whatever reason, this discovery was revealed (albeit not produced) to the media before it will be to the academic/historical community.
Personal Responsibility wrote:
> That is simply the way things were then. <
Yes, but it's also striking that Ferdinand and Isabella
took the initiative to stop Christopher's cruel behavior.
So in those days, some of the rulers apparently were quite
a bit less "savage" than others.
The French thing with Martel was a minor skirmish.
You have to admit the Battle of Tours, was at least a defining moment for Europe. At least, it created the resolve to prevent further pushes from the Islamic Invaders.
LOL!! Oh, that goes w/o saying!
Yes, but I doubt that they rode in 1st class...........
Exactly. I was going to say, "Sounds like a 'moderate Muslim' to me."
The Battle of Tours took place in the Dark Ages. For the most part conditions were so primitive outside of Spain that I doubt "Europeans", as a whole, could come to a resolve about anything other than building more dongeons.
Most Europeans waited to come to the Americas after the invention of steelhulled luxury craft.
I was referring to them as coming as slaves or prisoners vs free men and women............
Up until the development of relatively safe ships in the 1820+ period, virtually all immigrants to America came as something other than "free men".
May be the sort of background to make folks really and truly interested in freedom.
Spain's earliest immigration policy pretty much favored small freeholders settling towns in fertile areas in the Caribbean islands.
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