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Posted on 08/01/2006 9:51:52 PM PDT by nwctwx
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And gee whiz... my in laws can't understand why I won't come visit them in Jakarta.....
good to see you JP!
I could have lived there
~sigh
Wonder where they are?
~Come out, come out....
Until TSA "gets real," they're part of the problem and not part of the solution. Sticking to my belief they ought to be modeling their security on El Al.
Snip: Security
At least six (formerly two) undercover agents accompany each international El Al flight, sitting amongst passengers whilst holstering firearms. All El Al pilots are former Israeli Air Force fighter pilots, and all El Al flight crew members are trained in hand to hand combat. In fact, most El Al employees have served in the Israel Defence Force (since national service is compulsory in Israel for most citizens).
El Al security procedures also require that all passengers be interviewed individually prior to boarding, allowing El Al staff to identify possible security threats. All passengers are classified on a basic 3 tier threat scale: Israelis and Jews are usually classified as the lowest threat, Westerners are usually classified as medium level threats, and Arabs (particularly males) are usually classified as high threat. In addition, all luggage must pass through a decompression chamber; this simulates pressures during flight which may be triggers for explosives [1]. El Al is the only airline in the world that passes all luggage through this special chamber.
The El Al fleet is also the only commercial airline fleet in the world to be equipped with anti-missile countermeasures.
As a result of the tight security, only one El Al plane has been successfully hijacked, in 1968 (see below for details).
Incidents and accidents
On July 27, 1955 an El Al Lockheed Constellation plane was shot down over Bulgaria. All the crew and passengers were killed.
On July 23, 1968, an El Al 707 carrying 10 crew and 38 passengers was the target of the first Arab hijacking of an El Al plane. Three members of the Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine (PFLP) hijacked the plane which was enroute from Rome, Italy to Lydda, Israel and diverted it to Algiers. The negotiations extended over 40 days. Both the hijackers and the 21 Israeli hostages ultimately went free. This was the first and only successful hijacking of an El Al flight.
Israel claimed that the hijackers left from Beirut armed, and with the full consent of the Lebanese authorities. Henceforth, Israel held Lebanon accountable and subsequently retaliated on December 28 1968 when it raided Beirut, Lebanon's airport and destroyed 13 planes on the ground, most of which belonged to Middle East Airlines.
Passengers and crew foiled a hijacking attempt on an El Al plane in 1970. This was part of the Dawson's Field hijackings.
In the Hindawi Affair on 18 April 1986, a pregnant Irishwoman named Anne Murphy was about to board an El Al flight at London's Heathrow Airport when her bag was found to contain 3 pounds of plastic explosives. The explosives had been planted by her fiancé Nezar Hindawi who was to go on a separate flight. Hindawi was jailed for 45 years, the longest sentence ever delivered by a British court. Murphy, who had been duped, later gave birth to their daughter. There was evidence that Syrian officials were involved. Britain cut off diplomatic relations with Syria.
On October 4, 1992, El Al Flight 1862, a Boeing 747-200F cargo plane, crashed into the Groeneveen and Klein-Kluitberg flats in Bijlmermeer, a neighbourhood in Amsterdam, Netherlands. Three crew members, one passenger and 43 on the ground were killed.
On July 4, 2002, a gunman killed 2 Israelis at the ticket counter of El Al Airlines at LAX. Although the gunman was not linked to any terrorist group, the man (an Egyptian) was upset at US support for Israel, and therefore the incident seems to have been motivated by political disagreement. This led the FBI to classify this shooting as a terrorist act, one of the few on U.S. soil since the September 11, 2001 attacks.
On October 23, 2003, an El Al Boeing 767 flying from Tel Aviv to Los Angeles via Toronto was diverted to Mirabel International Airport and then on to Hamilton Airport, where RCMP tactical teams were ready. The diversion was the result of a "severe security threat", which was later clarified as a possible surface-to-air missile attack on the aircraft upon landing in Toronto.
On June 7, 2006, the Swiss Attorney General reported that seven North Africans were arrested in connection with a conspiracy to blow up an unspecified El Al flight the following day. At the time of the arrest, El Al's flights between Tel Aviv and London flew over the area where a ground-to-air missile was discovered.
The question begs...why?!
I heard that the liquid bombs would have to be positioned just right for even if it blew a small hole in the fuselage, the plane would not explode and it would most likely take two to be placed startegically
Aw..........
Cake/perfume
I do know the unmoved Chertoff sure was very rattled yesterday
Indeed! Following your summaries and comments closely. We've stopped visits to the "big box" stores at this point. Crowded stores and throngs of people equal quality targets for bloodthirsty jihadis IMHO. If you must enter them (or malls), make sure you know where emergency exits are located.
I felt yesterday all we had to do was gauge where the NG was called CA, Boston etc and that is where they expected attacks, BUT Chgo did not, Ill. did not, all we got was a missing Egyptian student arrested, tis why I believe it's all somehow connected
this is interesting...
ALARMING intelligence that an attack was imminent was the trigger for police raids which captured 24 terrorist suspects, including two white converts to Islam, The Times has learnt.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2308087_4,00.html
I'll be traveling Greyhound next week... just waiting to find one of these...
What's amazing to me is they were able to infiltrate and go so long before they busted them
Are you still in Minn? I'll always remember the kiosk and one student was also arrested there, wonder if it was...?
they are really respectable young Muslim men...
Islamofascistextremistblahblah
TV report this AM said they would have had at least 3 bombs per plane.......guessing that reduced the chance of failed attempts and/or second guessing if passengers attempted to subdue them.
Snip: A federal judge rejected claims Thursday that two former lobbyists' constitutional rights would be violated if they were prosecuted under a World War I-era espionage law for receiving and disclosing national defense information.
U.S. District Judge T.S. Ellis III ruled that the 1917 Espionage Act is not unconstitutionally broad and vague when it seeks to bar receipt or disclosure of "information related to the national defense."
The indictment against Steven Rosen of Silver Spring, Md., and Keith Weissman of Bethesda, Md., alleges that they conspired to obtain classified reports on issues relevant to American policy, including the al-Qaida terror network; the bombing of the Khobar Towers dormitory in Saudi Arabia, which killed 19 U.S. Air Force personnel; and U.S. policy in Iran.
Rosen and Weissman, former lobbyists for the American Israel Public Affairs Committee, are accused of sharing the information with reporters and foreign diplomats. No trial date has been set.
Smiling broadly - and thinking of the NY Slimes......
Dear Sis...
I am beside myself here at the library right now...
I live in a predominantly white, mid class area, at this library all the time...felt that warning tingle back of my neck,
turned around and what do I see sitting directly behind me?
two odd arab males...on the 15 min pc's
swarthy no sh, then one gets a cell call, goes off to huddle with a female (non-Arab but speaking their speak) by the books, they walk out
I've talked to the librarian, she has seen them before, she doesn't feel 'alerted'
I told her I give a crap about racial profiling, went outside to see if there were cops, usually by park, none, asked my daughter to use camera phone but she may not be able to
these assess are loud, talking Arab now, odd how they look 'other'
all 3 young
2 males appox 25, female about the same
Great to know you are here Kyla!
Yep, I went to three news sites and they all said deny an Israeli warship was destroyed, nw.
Here's just 1 of the articles.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3289799,00.html
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This was interesting, though as I was searching for warship articles:
http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=109804
"Katyushas Smash into Israel; Launchers Quickly Destroyed"
14:13 Aug 11, '06 / 17 Av 5766
by Hillel Fendel
ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Among the Katyushas that hit Haifa today were advanced 302mm types (more than a foot in diameter), known as Fajr rockets.
Within a short time after the rockets hit Israel, the Israel Air Force reported that it had destroyed the launchers from which some of them were fired. The launchers were destroyed in the area of Tyre, some 50 kilometers north of Haifa.
Another round of rocket-warning sirens was sounded in many northern areas around 2 PM; no word of casualties or damage was initially received.
A total of 142 soldiers and Katyusha-injured civilians are hospitalized in the three main hospitals in the north - Rambam in Haifa, Sieff in Tzfat, and the Nahariya hospital. Among the wounded are 27 in serious condition.
The Israel Air Force attacked 100 targets in Lebanon over the night, including Katyusha rocket launchers. At least eleven terrorists were reported killed in various battles or incidents."
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