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How treaties trump the Constitution (a timely re-post & must read)
World Net Daily ^ | July 04 & 06 | Henry Lamb

Posted on 07/30/2006 2:51:32 PM PDT by yoe

Nothing in the U.S. Constitution authorizes the federal government to regulate private property. Nothing in the U.S. Constitution authorizes the federal government to manage wildlife or prescribe land-use regulations within the various states.

By what authority, then, has the federal government constructed the expansive bureaucracy that now forces wolves, panthers and bears on states and communities that don't want them, or levied fines, and jailed people who dare dig a ditch or dump a load of sand on their own private property?

This federal power arises from the treaty clause (Article VI (2)) of the U.S. Constitution.

Alabama attorney Larry Becraft provides an excellent analysis of just how and when this treaty power was discovered. This power has been exploited dramatically in recent years, and is the basis for imposing a global environmental and social agenda on the United States.

Before the Ramsar Treaty, no American was jailed for dumping sand on his own private property. Ocie Mills and his son spent 21 months in a federal prison and a decade in litigation for dumping 19 loads of building sand on his own property after securing a county building permit and approval from the state department of environmental protection.

Before the CITES Treaty, no one would fault a person for shooting a charging bear. John Shuler was fined $7,000 and spent nine years in litigation because he shot a grizzly – charging toward him only 30-feet away from his front porch.

Environmental extremists, inside and outside the government, are using international treaties to expand the power of government far beyond the power granted originally by the Constitution.

The process has been refined to an art. Environmental organizations pour millions of dollars into the campaigns of elected officials. When elected, the officials repay the favor by appointing executives of the environmental organizations to powerful governmental positions. The Clinton/Gore administration appointed at least 27 of these extremists to powerful positions, including Bruce Babbitt from the League of Conservation Voters to head the Department of Interior, and George Frampton from the Wilderness Society to head the Fish and Wildlife Service.

More than 50 major U.S. environmental organizations, and six federal agencies (including the U.S. State Department), are members of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature, an international non-government organization that has drafted virtually all of the international environmental treaties for half a century. Delegations that represent the U.S. in treaty negotiations are headed by the U.S. State Department. When a treaty is adopted by the U.N. body, the federal agencies and the environmental organizations that helped draft the treaty then lobby Congress and their constituents to demand ratification.

The League of Conservation Voters supported the Clinton/Gore ticket in 1992. They got their reward. Now the LCW is supporting the Kerry/Edwards ticket. They expect, and will undoubtedly get their reward if the two Johns are elected.

When George Bush was elected in 2000, the international community was bitterly disappointed, and had cause to be. Bush immediately withdrew from the Kyoto Protocol, which Al Gore personally navigated through the contentious 1997 U.N. conference in Kyoto, Japan.

Bush immediately withdrew the U.S. signature from the International Criminal Court, which the Clinton administration signed just hours before the deadline. Bush also pulled the plug on a decade-long strategy to authorize U.N. global taxation when he forced a rewrite of the document produced by the U.N.'s High Level Panel on Financing Development in Monterrey, Mexico.

The power of U.N. treaties over domestic policy is not limited to environmental regulations. Increasingly, the U.N. is developing treaties to govern the Internet, the oceans, space, domestic taxation, trade and virtually every other area of human activity.

The Bush administration was right in withdrawing from U.N. activity, but it is a meager first step in a process of withdrawal that must be accelerated. Sadly, many internationalist environmental extremists remain embedded in the Bush administration and in Congress. The recent revival of the U.N.'s Law of the Sea Treaty, pushed by John Turner in the State Department, and Sen. Richard Lugar, is evidence that a more thorough cleansing of government is needed.

The elections in November are a referendum on whether to continue to disrupt the U.N. process of dominating domestic public policy, or whether we will return to the Clinton/Gore days of advancing the internationalist/environmental agenda through U.N. treaties. John Kerry has made clear his intention to restore international favor by subjecting the United States to the will of the international community.

Henry Lamb is the executive vice president of the Environmental Conservation Organization and chairman of Sovereignty International.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: agenda21; borderxx1; constitution; epa; originalintent; treaties
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To: Carry_Okie; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester; marsh2; calcowgirl; NormsRevenge; dalereed; ...
BOOKMARKED!!!

This reply is probably the most brilliant I ever seen on FR! It explains the massive success of EnvironMentalistic penetration into our GovernMentalistic institutions and system of laws.

Between this legalistic trigger and the earthchanging graphics sent back from Apollo 11, with the totally isolated planet with only a barely perceptable layer of atmosphere... The court of public opinion with the force of the MSM pushing the Godless form of Pagan EnvironMentalism, enforced by GovernMentalism was spawned.

We then had "Silent Spring" and all forms of entertainment from "China Syndrome," to "Water World," to create a whole new class of Americans you could call "Born Again Pagans!!!"

The Endangered Species Act, The Clean Air Act, The Clean Water Act, in fact many Federal Agencies prior to the EPA were given what I had always considered "unconstitutional" power to regulate every pill we take and the food we eat under T.R.'s regime!

His was the first Presidency to proclaim that if the constitution was "silent," then he could go right ahead and do IT! No prior President had ever believed that entire new tac on constitutional waters!!! By the way... he was NOT an "EnvironMentalist!" He was a big game hunter/slaughterer and he had too much dirt, (part of mother earth's face) moved around to be a "Dirt Worshipper!"

21 posted on 07/30/2006 5:07:12 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Where's my "Cheney in '08" bumpersticker!!! He's the only one who can beat Algore!!!)
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To: SAJ
"No bets on whether the Supremes will be able to cobble together a majority to support the clear Constitutional intent of the Framers.

Well, I'm willing to "Bet" on the outcome.

5-4 IN FAVOR of said treaties with the usual suspects (libs) in favor and the other "constructionists" opposed.

Then along comes Sire Kennedy to break the time (In Favor) and will cite as "authority" the history of the Yak in Tibet and the Human Rights History of the Mongols in Russia.

22 posted on 07/30/2006 5:10:55 PM PDT by seasoned traditionalist (ALL MUSLIMS ARE NOT TERRORISTS, BUT ALL TERRORISTS WHO WANT TO DESTROY OUR COUNTRY, ARE MUSLIMS)
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To: Freedom4US; editor-surveyor; Carry_Okie
"Politicians need to come clean with the American public - that's who they are responsible to."

They will not, until they fear "The People" as much as people fear their government!!!

23 posted on 07/30/2006 5:12:45 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Where's my "Cheney in '08" bumpersticker!!! He's the only one who can beat Algore!!!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Thank you for this ping of ultimate importance!!!


24 posted on 07/30/2006 5:13:57 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Where's my "Cheney in '08" bumpersticker!!! He's the only one who can beat Algore!!!)
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To: yoe; Carry_Okie; editor-surveyor; All
The magic in Henry Lamb's article is that he does what so many of us are just incapable of doing! He bridges the gap between these arcane and cryptic treaties and how they come to effect us in a no longer "free country!"

I believe it was President George WASHINGTON that warned America in his farwell address... "Beware of entangling alliances and treaties." That, from THE founding father of our country!!!

25 posted on 07/30/2006 5:19:32 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Where's my "Cheney in '08" bumpersticker!!! He's the only one who can beat Algore!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

NAFTA is not a treaty, it is an "agreement". That is it was passed by a simple majority as it would not have made the 2/3 required to ratify treaties. Thanks Ross, it almost makes up for eight years of Billy-Bob.


26 posted on 07/30/2006 5:20:15 PM PDT by Jack Black
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To: Medicine Warrior

Read later


27 posted on 07/30/2006 5:22:41 PM PDT by georgiabelle
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To: yoe

I'm no expert in treaties, but here you go:

"Where rights secured by the Constitution are involved, there can be no rule making or legislation which would abrogate them." Miranda v. Arizona, 384 U.S. 436, 491. Also see Marbury v. Madison, 1801.

Treaties are legislation, nothing more. The constitution may be changed only through the amendment process.

And I have yet to read a court ruling that abrogates our rights using a treaty as justification. Perhaps someone will come along and prove me wrong.

That the federal bureaucracy (executive branch) and courts are illegally amending the constitution and ignoring our rights is provable and a fact.


28 posted on 07/30/2006 5:23:01 PM PDT by sergeantdave (Nothing happens in a vacuum until I get there - the 4th Law of Physics)
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To: BenLurkin
I'm not sure I wholly agree. I fear the temptation of such a body to get bored and start taking the law into their own hands. Politics is the way we change things, resist things, revolt against injustices, etc., in the USA. Not through armed force, or the threat of it!!!

As frustrated as I get, I still prefer pursuasion to coercion or the threat of violence. Look what the "militia" called Hezbollah is doing for Lebanon, today! That's not very smart. It may be quick and bloody, but it ain't very smart!!! And I don't think it's even effective in the long run, do you?

29 posted on 07/30/2006 5:25:00 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Where's my "Cheney in '08" bumpersticker!!! He's the only one who can beat Algore!!!)
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To: Jack Black
Who you thankin named "Ross?" Ross Perot??? You mean the giant sucking sound to the underbelly of the United States (NAFTA)??? Don't be so cryptic and spell it out here!!!

You are among FRiends here, right?

30 posted on 07/30/2006 5:28:43 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Where's my "Cheney in '08" bumpersticker!!! He's the only one who can beat Algore!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

Only as a last resort.


31 posted on 07/30/2006 5:33:58 PM PDT by BenLurkin ("The entire remedy is with the people." - W. H. Harrison)
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To: BenLurkin

Well, that I can agree with!!! Although I try to stay away from "resorts" of any kind... (smirk)


32 posted on 07/30/2006 5:45:01 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Where's my "Cheney in '08" bumpersticker!!! He's the only one who can beat Algore!!!)
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To: GreenFreeper

ping


33 posted on 07/30/2006 5:46:48 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: Spirochete

Saddly I think you're right... it seems as though POLITICIANS are the problem. We need some statesmen.


34 posted on 07/30/2006 5:57:22 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
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To: Carry_Okie; SierraWasp

I spent some time looking over your book at:
http://www.naturalprocess.net/

Wow, very interesting stuff! I'd like to buy it, but the online link was down. Should I send you a check instead?


35 posted on 07/30/2006 6:10:59 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: SierraWasp; Carry_Okie
Truly first class analysis and writing, no doubt about it.

I am also saving it.

36 posted on 07/30/2006 6:14:36 PM PDT by Czar ( StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: yoe

Wolves, panthers and bears are always a welcome addition in communities overrun with white tailed deer.


37 posted on 07/30/2006 6:26:38 PM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: traviskicks
I've killed the online store while I start the process of hawking it at Amazon.

Best to do mail order for now.

38 posted on 07/30/2006 6:29:46 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (Islam offers three choices: fight, submit, or die.)
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To: SAJ
Your typical treaty usually doesn't affect us at all until "implementing laws" are passed. In that way the US Congress notifies everybody what is "meant" by each of the elements agreed to in the treaty.

Frequently Congress' interpretation of a treaty is at variance with that of the originators.

39 posted on 07/30/2006 6:30:13 PM PDT by muawiyah (-/sarcasm)
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To: yoe

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40 posted on 07/30/2006 6:31:32 PM PDT by michigander (The Constitution only guarantees the right to pursue happiness. You have to catch it yourself.)
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