Posted on 07/07/2006 8:58:04 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
Americans are donating thousands of dollars to support Minutemen patrolling the border. But you may be surprised where your money is NOT going in this 4-month investigation.
All I've said is that it's disturbing that Simcox was clearly stonewalling transparent finances on this video.
I also said I was not coming to any conclusions.
Now..........what's wrong with you? What's happened to you?
I'm asking sincerely. What's happened to you?
Answer the question or call Keyes and ask him where the fence is.
What emotion?
I'm as calm as the day is long and I want to know.........what is wrong with you? You're making things up out of whole cloth, and I'm concerned about you.
Not everyone questioning wants the MM to go away. I certainly don't. Your post seems a little strawman-like to me.
I can find enough in the news to post standalone threads on the subject/topic without additional off topic posts and I dont think Im guilty of that.
I never said I was anti-transparency for any org either.
There has to be some thread where people can thrash things out - like this thread.
Will take your advise.
Thanks
That question has been answered repeatedly, but as usual, you have your fingers in your ears when it's something that doesn't match your agenda.
The landowner, under pressure from people exactly like you, decided he didn't want the original Israeli-style fence...so Simcox built the fence he asked for. Then, in the ensuing days, people who I'm sure would love your posts on FR if they read them, cut even that fence.
Again, if you really want to know where the fence is, ask the White House. The President raised his hand and swore to defend this country.
No matter how hard regular citizens try to close the border, their efforts are bound to be merely symbolic anyway. They don't have the resources and the power of the United States government.
I for one am truly thankful for what the Minutemen have accomplished.
Well my point is this. It like the guy I quoted from in St LOuis. THe minuatemen are largely a very lose confederation. Some have very racist ties as to organizations like Stormfront etc. some are Simcox groups. Some are Spencer groups(BorderPatrol webs site).Others are as pure as the garden club. Of course this is over several states and the media calls then all minutemen which helps of course Simcox and others as to fundraising. So it is not like the entire movement is a fraud but I can see your point
I really think you're projecting.
What EXACTLY did I "make up"?
Yes, this is absolutely the right thread for it.
I have no idea if you are personally guilty of spamming other threads...you just got to be the lightening rod for your "team." Thanks for being such a good sport about it.
I look forward to seeing an open accounting of the donations. It will go a long ways towards diffusing this controversy.
He built the fence asked for BUT not the one he raised,by his own count in April, 250,000 bucks for and has now set a goal of 55 million bucks.. He has yet to start any semblance of his "Israeli wall" and has left the area. Where is he now and what is being done to actually build his "Israeli wall".
Good night, EV. Get some much needed rest, and try to recover from whatever is making you act this way.
Is that supposed to prove anything? I see nothing in your post but innuendo.
But innuendo is all character assasins like you need, I suppose.
All I asked you for were facts. You admitted you had none.
Good night, EV. Get some much needed rest, and try to recover from whatever is making you act this way.
You might want to work on getting over yourself.
It is more than Morris Dees and Splc.
THe problem is that people associated with American Border Patrol (who Dees hates) and People associated with theCouncil of COnservative Citizens who Dees hates and several other group for either philosophical reason or perhaps they were not getting a cut who knows starting spilling the beans about what was going on the last couple of monts. Also this in the paper to. Direct quotes by Spencer who Dees and splc also hates.
www.svherald.com/articles/2006/07/08/local_news/news1.txt
You can go to American Patrrol web site and he has been screaming his head off about this. Former highranking minuteman Joe McCutchen wo is head of the anit illegal immigration movement in arkansas and who by the way was former pilot in the minutemen told all last month at the CoCC convention. That info doesnt come from the Splc or dees but from the Council conservative Citizens itself
This isnt Dees propaganda.
Here is the article
www.svherald.com/articles/2006/07/08/local_news/news1.txt
No, it is a legitimate question. Why has Simcox left the border area after building 2 miles of 4 strand barbed wire fencing with a minimum of 200 grand in his pockets? Has he hired the contractor he said he was going to use instead of volunteers? I would think that as protective of Keyes as you are you would be very concerned since Keyes is now his major associate.
As I recall, some liberal Cochise County pols are trying to block his efforts.
You're making your side look even worse.
The "Council of Conservative Citizens" is a racist organization. Add that to the SPLC and ABC as your "authorities". Gee whiz.
As to Spencer, my guess is there is more than a little bit of jealousy at work there. Big deal. He hasn't shown any proof of anything but pique either that I've seen.
I have to laugh at this stuff, even as nasty as the character assasins for the RNC are. They are proving the old axiom about politics making strange bedfellows once again.
Like Clinton and Rove and Brownback at a La Raza (the Race) convention...
Hope you feel better in the morning. Make sure you follow your doctor's orders.
(btw......you may want to go back and read this little 'exchange' of ours and realize how off base every word you've said has been. If you apologize after you do, I'll have some hope for your eventual recovery from whatever is ailing you.....)
It seems pretty obvious to me that if the fence is not continuous, the illegals will come through the weak spots, but that's just me.
BISBEE — In response to a plan by the Minuteman Project to construct an Israeli-style border barrier on private land near Naco, the Cochise County Planning Department is advising area ranchers that any such project must comply with county zoning rules.
In a communique issued last week, the Minutemen announced they would begin constructing an Israeli-style security fence at an Arizona ranch in early July. The anti-illegal immigration group is currently overseeing the construction of a barbed-wire range fence on the border-front property of Jack and John Ladd in Palominas. Speaking at the May 27 groundbreaking for the Ladd’s fence, Minuteman leader Chris Simcox said his group was eyeing a property 4 1/2 miles east of Naco for its next effort.
Using that information, Cochise County Supervisor Paul Newman and Planning Director Judy Anderson drafted a letter to two local property owners asking for clarification.
“We have certain zoning regulations in place, and we need to apply them consistently and fairly to everybody,” Anderson said. “So we may need to make a determination about whether this fence actually meets our exemption for fences in rural areas.”
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