Posted on 07/07/2006 8:58:04 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
Americans are donating thousands of dollars to support Minutemen patrolling the border. But you may be surprised where your money is NOT going in this 4-month investigation.
When that didn't work, the "OBLers" as you call them, started coming after you. We are looking for perspective and balance. We want to be able to say "Good job" over here and "We want this done better" over there without it dissolving into some kind of masochistic chickenlittlehood.
The great irony of all of this is two fold. First, you alienated supporters of your own cause and weakened your own case. Second, you are being warned. There is great potential here to hurt your cause further if reasonable care and transparent accountability is not demanded. Granted sometimes the warning has been sounded with disingenuous glee. But you can not allow that to back you so far into a corner you hurt the greater cause.
All I can say is this. This debate has NEVER been about goals. It has been about process and how we need to accomplish those goals. Screaming at each other over this will not only set border control back, it will cede control to those with even less concern about it. And frankly, of all the potential outcomes here, that is the worst one.
Thanks for sticking with me through this little rant. I wish you the very best. Good luck.
I made my views clear on this thread. What are you whining about? The ABC video is a joke. A bad one. And the continued insistence by your fellow travelers here on using SPLC communist agitprop is worse than despicable.
The organizations in question are 501c organizations that are fully accountable to the IRS and the FEC. I haven't seen one scrap of evidence that they have done anything amiss.
But I do know the character of their attackers.
Here's the real irony in all of this: Y'all love to go after regular folks who have managed to accomplish something good for America's security by standing up the grassroots. You act like them raising and spending money in their efforts is somehow dirty. But you don't make a peep as the RNC and the sycophantic captive DC organizations and the Beltway Bandits rake in literally billions to finance their Lexus' and their mansions to keep their liberal incumbents in power.
You know the sound:
*crickets*
I dont think anyone has reasonably asked him.
Sending reporters in after someone is irked, without the best of intentions 60 Minutes style, is not the best way to get questions answered.
I dont think there is a large number of MM leaders in this outfit, probably one or two. And it does take time to collect and do the paperwork up. It's probably sub contracted or contracted out at an auditor and would take a day or two to gin up a report for public consumption.
The fence building portion of the enterprise is Declaration Alliance and is a 501c4 organization. If all else fails the IRS will get them. Under the tax rules you have to spend the money on the organization and officers are limited to $50k. There is no way out from the IRS that I am aware of.
They are rightly paranoid, there are folks out on the left and right and across the border wanting to see them fail.
I do not know what charity reporting laws are federally or locally, here in Arizona.
I would think honesty is the best way to get information from them by asking through their telephone and email addresses.
THere is a huge money making operation to this. For instance someone might want to start researching the groups that send out all these breathless and overthetops internet news releases. Are those the same organizatins that then get people to pay then 59 dollars to fax 20 senators? I have been trying to track down some of this. The media on this has often been too organized and I think that media also owns direct mail companies etc that get money off raising funds for this. It goes beyond this fence.
They don't have a responsibility to be "transparent" to their enemies. They do have a responsibility to be transparent to the IRS. Do you have in your possession any information that they have violated any tax laws? I most certainly have not seen such information, anywhere, but especially on this pathetic thread, and I follow these matters very closely. If you do possess this data, please share it NOW. If you DO NOT, as a Christian, you need to stop spreading the propaganda of the enemies of secure borders poste haste.
For those of us who have supported what they are doing..........even cheered them on from Ohio :)........it would be dispiriting if they lose all credibility because of dishonest leaders.
I know some of you have been issuing warnings for quite some time, but as I watch this video, I see Simcox indicting himself........and that's bad.
Where is the fence?
If the Bushbots were on the right side of this issue, they would be raking in tens of millions of dollars, exploiting it to the max. They are the masters of exploitation.
That's why they're projecting so badly on this...they figure that the secure borders folks are bilking people, because that's what they would do if the shoe were on the other foot...
Take it to the bank!
I'm asking questions based on what I SEE Simcox saying on this video. That's all I've done here.
Be careful, EV. Be careful.
And don't let your personal emotion blind you to what is going on. I'm getting worried about you.
Ask Bush.
EV where is the fence?
Bush isn't asking for donations. Where is the fence?
I now know not to expect rational thought coming from your posts.
It's been nice knowing you. I'll always remember what you used to be like......
You didn't answer my question. What proof do you have that these 501c organizations have done anything wrong? It isn't in that feckless attack piece from a local ABC affiliate.
Do you approve of those here who are attacking Simcox using propaganda from that communist Morris Dees and the SPLC?
Thank you.
Just had to get it out of my system. I really care about this issue. I also care about what it is doing to us...and that it sometimes also seems to be at the expense of other issues.
I'm the one who has "gone over the edge"? My friend, you're the one posting with nothing but emotion. Try dealing in facts and not leftist propaganda, and maybe you'll be able to comprehend what I'm saying to you.
What about all of the "rightest propaganda" posted on this thread? Where is the fence?
Ah. Are they allying themselves with the SPLC and La Raza, like you and your friends?
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