Posted on 07/07/2006 8:58:04 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
Americans are donating thousands of dollars to support Minutemen patrolling the border. But you may be surprised where your money is NOT going in this 4-month investigation.
I will say this: those of us who hold certain issues as paramount, whether it be border security, abortion, or (in my case) national defense/military, should be careful. Frauds and charlatans target people who are emotionally caught up in an issue and want to believe that someone can "fix" things. Larry Klayman bamboozled a whole bunch of us into thinking he was really concerned about corruption in the Clinton era; what Klayman was REALLY concerned about was the Klayman bank account. Bay Buchanan seems to be inordinately interested in fundraising as well. I haven't figured out if Keyes is part of the scam or a victim of believing his own press, but I don't trust him, either. And I am also not certain that Curt Weldon is as interested in getting to the truth of Able Danger as he is in slamming Rumsfeld and getting on talk shows.
It pays to be careful about giving money. Not all who spin a good story are ethical.
Open border crowd doing a love-in.
Good morning Miss Marple!
You have not caused any ill will, you are 100% spot on! It is sad, all of it.
I have learned to not become as emotionally involved as I once was, nor naive about an issue I strongly support thanks to folks like you, Peach,Ohiowfan, Snugs, and all the good folks who show us how to remain strong on issues they support but not to the point of being naive and being taken in by conmen who exploit good generous people.
I haven't read the entire thread just the last 2 pages but gloating over someone's mistake as some have appeared to be doing is not something I would condone.
Point being there are border security and open border advocates and the two groups are so far apart that it feels like they will never agree but it doesn't make one more right than the other nor should either be called names and that was the point I was trying to make.
People like Simcox who con people should be prosecuted.
I agree, that is exactly what is happening, the video and report and consequently more revelations about the character of Simcox is being revealed and some are defending Simcox which is absurd.
Perhaps the Volunteers were supporting what they consider to be a good cause and feel they were used and that is sad, I am on the side of the good guys.
And perhaps there are some who simply wish to use this thread to agitate and act immature.
Coming from the good State of Texas I see what is happening on the border and that is why it is a issue of importance to me.
There are some on this thread who have been warning about Simcox and his gang for some time now .. and have been slammed for it
No one is more hysterical about the border than you are, Peach.
The deep question is how do you make Mexico a first class country. This is something that Vincente Fox brought up frequently in May and June.
The trouble is that no one quite sees that the very best thing we could do for Mexico is to send their now well trained citizens home.
Suddenly Mexico would have a skilled workforce who knew something about how a world class country worked.
Think these folk would propel a great leap forward for Mexico?
I do.
Basically the ruling class in Mexico is preditory to its own detriment and will not change of its own volition--even if those changes were in its own interest. But it can be forced to change.
The Mexicans in the USA have had the picture of what a well run country looks like tatooed on the back of their eyeballs. And they'll have an idea of how to get there. Send them back to Mexico and they'll get a revolution in Mexico that'll do that country some good.
The shock troops for that would be the 12 million repatriated Mexican citizens. Having seen what a well run country looks like they would not want to be stuffed back in the old wineskin.
Also, Mexico will need a stronger dose of of the Peruvian Hernando Desoto ideas. Basically DeSoto asked the question why are some countries poor and some countries rich. The basic answers is that in poor countries most of their economy is informal or off the books and their property--ie--land is not formally recognized. (Therefor these countries have no borrowing power and property has no value that can be transferred or liquidated.)De Soto's solutions are being implimented successfully in countries around the world. http://www.ild.org.pe/home.htm
Hernando de Soto's organization was invited to Mexico and did some work on the question. He says that only 6 percent of Mexican enterprises are legal, the rest are informal or off the books. So how do you reverse that so that only 6% of the economy is informal -- as is the case the USA. De Soto would provide the ideas around which the 12 million american trained Mexican returnees could rally.
There's something more.
I follow water desalination research pretty closely. While water desalination costs have dropped to about a third of what they were 15 years ago--the rate at which prices will drop over the next seven years will accelerate considerably. imo in even the next five years we will see desalination costs drop to 1/10th of today's costs. Or even faster than the fall the 3/4 fall that the LLNL researchers suggest.
http://www.physorg.com/news67262683.html
Basically, the foundations are being laid today to make it economically feasable to to turn all the world's deserts green. (The proper way to look at this is to recall that cars, tv's and computers were at first rich men's toys but when prices came down they changed the world. Desalinised water is still relatively speaking -- a rich man's toy. But when the price drops sufficiently--desalinised water will change the world--because most deserts are right beside the ocean. Pumping the water 1000 miles inland will require that the scientists collapse the cost cracking out hydrogen from water. I think that this nut will be cracked sooner than desalination.)
imho cheap desalinised water will do for the republicans (if they can get this on their agenda or even the democrats if the pubbies drop the ball) what the great dam building projects & the tva of the 1930's & 40's did for democrats because 1/3 of the US is deserts. We would increase the habitable size of the USA by 1/3.
Dirt cheap desalinised water will also do things like make it possible to double the habitable size of Mexico. Cheap water is no magic bullet but it will give the Mexican Nationalists a way to dream while the Mexican people do the real work.
A first generation crop that might be appropriate would be one that India has chosen for ist biofuels program. The crop is Jatropha Curcas - a bush. This shrub produces a seed containing oil. This oil works well for biodiesel production ( see http://www.d1plc.com ).
Jatropha Curcas is native to Mexico and Central America (probably originated there). This shrub can be grown in large plantations on marginal soil - assuming some reasonable amount of, say, desalinated water).
Think Jatropha Curas could take up the slack from current oil production? I do.
But years before the USA collapsed the cost of desalinised water--the USA could change the future by announcing that the goal of American research is to kill the cost of water desalination and transport so that it becomes economically possible to turn the world's deserts green. Reagan changed the future by announcing star wars. Bush could change the future by announcing the plan for the greening of the world's deserts.
And desalinated water in tandem with repatriation of now skilled Mexican citizens would propel Mexico into being a world class country.
There is a winner here. The winner is Mexico.
The US profits too by having a prosperous politically stable country with a broad middle class to the south as we do to the north.
Not that facts matter to someone like you, but you'll have to show me where I've been hysterical about the border. I'll wait.
The issues don't seem to matter to the border hysterics, stopem. I've seen point after point made proving some of the hysterics wrong, but they just jump to another topic or start calling anyone who doesn't believe some of the garbage thrown about "open border" supporters, etc.
Most of us would indeed like to see border security, but when suggestions are made by politicians that are common sense, it's not enough for the hysterics. Nothing is ever enough for them. They want to own the issue and have something to complain about instead.
I get what you mean now, I wondered what the term border hysterics related to but you are speaking of the unappeasables and those who get on border security threads to cause discord and to agitate rather than discuss or debate the actual issue.
It is a strong issue to me and I was at one time to the point of hysterics I think especially around the time there were all the marchers and also living in Texas brings the issue "home" more so than for those who don't deal with it on a regular basis.
I see now that being obsessive about an issue regardless of which side one is on is not productive. The issue can be one of importance and one can feel strongly without becoming compulsive. Point taken.
Yep, the illegal immigration issue has been damaged by ner-do-wells and their misinformation.
What a shame.
Exactly. Some politicians have offered sensible solutions but when I visit those threads, I see that it isn't enough for the unappeasables.
Far too few politicians are willing to do anything about this issue, and that's disgraceful and outrageous. But when the few who are brave enough to speak up and offer solutions are shot down without intelligent debate on sites like Free Republic, I can easily see why so many politicans just kick the can down the road and hope the issue goes away.
I am now staying away for most part from these threads because of the hijackers with their agenda's that have nothing to do with reality.
There really is no upside to anger when one is overcome with anger one becomes irrational which is really a tantrum and than solutions are not forthcoming or are ignored.
No kidding.
And allying themselves with the Southern Poverty Law Center.
Amazing that they can get away with that on FR. Morris Dees and the SPLC are communists, and that is no exaggeration.
I saw the hit-piece from that local ABC affiliate weeks ago. Shoddy reporting at its worst.
Just another attempt to slime Simcox.
If these FR border trolls keep it up, they can probably get an honorary membership in La Raza.
For the few who aren't already members, that is...
Post #325 is funny. Double entrende? (the "may I call you"part)
I must say that I personally have come a long way from my initial reaction to the marchers on the streets in the millions almost every week and their wave flagging and in your face defiant attitudes. I now look at the immigration issue in a more mature different way than I originally did as a deport-them-all filled with anger stance that I once took.
Minutemen have a lot of good people supporting a cause they believe in and Simcox betrayed them and should be prosecuted if found guilty of fraudelent practices. If nothing more he is a disgrace if all that has been said about his character is indeed true. A lot of people are ashamed for once supporting this person and are big enough to admit it.
Talk about gullible. You and your friends are listening to shoddy and sensationalized local ABC media reporting and the SPLC for goodness sakes. Next thing you'll be posting "proof" from the Communist Party USA.
...should be prosecuted if found guilty of fraudelent practices.
The only thing this thread has proved is that the FR OBL hates Chris Simcox and will do anything to destroy him.
If nothing more he is a disgrace if all that has been said about his character is indeed true.
YOu should worry more about the character of those would join with Morris Dees and the SPLC to slime a good man like Chris Simcox.
A lot of people are ashamed for once supporting this person and are big enough to admit it.
If they are ashamed, then they have been duped by malicious open borders lobbyists.
---Talk about gullible. You and your friends are listening to shoddy and sensationalized local ABC media reporting and the SPLC for goodness sakes. Next thing you'll be posting "proof" from the Communist Party USA.---
Exactly like a bunch of DU dummies. It makes my skin crawl.
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