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Our Mother Jesus . . . a sermon by US church's new head
London Times ^ | 6/22/06 | staff

Posted on 06/21/2006 5:08:05 PM PDT by pissant

The Episcopalians are in disarray as their primate shows her feminist credentials

THE Episcopal Church in America descended into chaos last night after leading bishops on both the liberal and conservative wings dissassociated themselves from a last-gasp effort to avert a schism with the worldwide Anglican Communion.

Just hours after its newly elected woman head preached a sermon in praise of “our mother Jesus”, the Episcopal Church agreed to “exercise restraint” in appointing any more gay bishops after a tense day of debate and argument.

The Archbishop of Canterbury, Dr Rowan Williams, welcomed the resolution with gratitude and what appeared to be relief, but he also made clear his reservations.

He welcomed the “exceptional seriousness” with which the Episcopal Church had treated the calls for it to repent and to impose moratoriums on same-sex blessings and the consecration of any more gay bishops. He said that actions by bishops and laity of the Episcopal Church yesterday showed “how strong is their concern to seek reconciliation and conversation with the rest of the Communion.”

But he continued: “It is not yet clear how far the resolutions passed this week and today represent the adoption by the Episcopal Church of all the proposals set out in the Windsor report. The wider Communion will therefore need to reflect carefully on the significance of what has been decided before we respond more fully.”

But this fragile consensus was immediately shattered by leading bishops on both sides.

Thirty liberal bishops issued a statement of dissent, saying that they could not abide by the new resolution. Bishop John Chane of Washington, a prominent church liberal who officiates at the National Cathedral in American capital, said that he would not agree to block the ordination of any gay bishop. “I will defy the resolution by consenting after prayer and careful consideration to any person duly elected by a diocese in this church,” he said.

On the other side, five conservative bishops accused the General Convention of “misleading the rest of the Communion by giving a false perception that they intend actually to comply with the recommendations of the Windsor Report”. They continued: “We therefore disassociate ourselves from those acts of this Convention that do not fully comply with the Windsor Report.”

They said that they repudiated the actions of the convention and committed themselves to providing pastoral care to worshippers and parishes on the orthodox wing, so placing themselves also in potential breach of Windsor because this would entail crossing diocesan and parochial boundaries.

The resolution was agreed after panicked bishops summoned the rare joint session of the whole Church at its three-yearly convention. The session was held the day after the 800-strong House of Deputies resoundingly rejected the Anglican hierarchy’s demand for a moratorium on the consecration of gay bishops.

Delegates, many wearing pink “It’s a girl” badges in celebration of the Right Rev Katharine Schori’s election as the new presiding bishop, were warned by the current primate of the Episcopal Church, Frank Griswold, that if they did not at least make an attempt to comply with demands for a moratorium on the consecration of any more gay bishops, they would risk exclusion from key bodies of the Anglican Church.

A proposal put forward by Bishop Griswold committing the Church to “exercise restraint by not consenting to the consecration of any candidate for the episcopate whose manner of life presents a challenge to the wider Church and will lead to further strains” sailed through the 300-member House of Bishops on a show of hands and was approved 75-34 by clergy delegations and 72-32 by lay delegations in the House of Deputies.

Earlier, at the morning Eucharist at the convention in Columbus, Ohio, Dr Schori signalled her feminist credentials in a sermon that drew on the writings of the 14th-century Julian of Norwich. She said: “Mother Jesus gives birth to a new creation — and you and I are His children. If we’re going to keep on growing into Christ images for the world around us, we’re going to have to give up fear.”

Liberals in Britain and America defended her sermon as being in a long tradition of writings by women theologians that use the metaphor of Jesus as mother.


TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: 2ludicrous; 2silly4words; apostates; deathspiral; ecusa; episcopal; griswold; harlotsreligion; lipsticklesbians; manhaters; ohbrother; schori; waronjesus
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To: thoughtomator

I think so. I would like to see the traditional types move forward and break ranks. The traditional churches will thrive, the others will wither.


41 posted on 06/21/2006 5:57:54 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
She looks bizarre.
She looks like a man.....man!
42 posted on 06/21/2006 5:58:02 PM PDT by The Lumster (USA - where the innocent have nothing to fear!)
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To: SuziQ

And they were one of the original 3 protestant churches. A shame. I think the Lutherans are hanging in there. Not sure about the Calvinists though.


43 posted on 06/21/2006 5:59:03 PM PDT by pissant
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To: sionnsar

If its bad here in the US, it has to be worse in the UK.


44 posted on 06/21/2006 5:59:35 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
Nooo!! Go figure!

Good for you! Frankly, I sometimes get depressed about not having found a church since becoming a Christian, but it seems to be getting to the point that there isn't one that's trustworthy, regardless of denomination.

45 posted on 06/21/2006 6:00:22 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS))
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To: LowOiL

Maybe she thinks there are millions of lesbians that were looking for a church to call home.


46 posted on 06/21/2006 6:00:37 PM PDT by pissant
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To: KoRn

Ouch!


47 posted on 06/21/2006 6:01:18 PM PDT by pissant
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To: The Lumster

We'll have to send in Austin Power or Crocodile Dundee to find out.


48 posted on 06/21/2006 6:01:55 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Meadow Muffin
Here we can witness the collapse of a denomination due to their feminazization and gaynazization of their creed.

Gaynazization? Good one! Methinks y'all have coined a phrase.

49 posted on 06/21/2006 6:03:02 PM PDT by stillonaroll
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To: pissant

Most parishes use that form; "for us, and for our salvation". It was part of the PC changes a few years ago, which, I hope will be going the way of the geese with the new Liturgical Norms approved by Pope Benedict. I've continued to say "for us MEN and for our salvation", the whole time, as do many around me, during Mass. I've never thought that anything that says "men" during Mass excludes me, and anyone who does is just WAY too sensitive about it.


50 posted on 06/21/2006 6:03:49 PM PDT by SuziQ
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To: Ladysmith

The Roman Catholic Church is generally fantastic. I love it. The Pope is a good leader. The American bishops are in their last throes of liberalism (on some issues anyway) and the church has been moving rightward in the last 20 years. In my hometown, there are about 7 parishes. 5 of the 7 are led by very good priests, IMO.

And the mass is beautiful and traditional, as long as you avoid the ones with guys playing guitars and caterwauling. LOL


51 posted on 06/21/2006 6:05:52 PM PDT by pissant
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To: Jorge

They're not atheists ... atheists have consciences. These people are servants of the most low.


52 posted on 06/21/2006 6:05:54 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: pissant
If its bad here in the US, it has to be worse in the UK.

Actually, from all I've read it's at its worst here in the US. They're still arguing over whether to have women bishops, whereas the first woman bishop in the US was ca 1990 as I recall (and had no pastoral experience, was heavily underqualified -- but she was female and black). They've also been providing alternative oversight for priests who will not tolerate their liberal bishops -- "flying bishops," they're called there.

The one thing possibly worse there is the low attendance. And one bad thing they have that we don't is the state-church tie, which is being used to force more liberalism down their throats.

But all in all, it is the Episcopal church in the U.S. that's driving this madness.

53 posted on 06/21/2006 6:06:38 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d - it's N0t Y0urs)
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To: SuziQ

Not in my town. Only the one dingbat priest has used it, that I've heard. And in the last few years I've gone to mass in Laramie WY, Nebraska, Topeka KS, KC MO, LA, Tucson, and few others. I'm happy to report no dropping of "men". :o)


54 posted on 06/21/2006 6:09:45 PM PDT by pissant
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To: sionnsar

Yikes. It may get worse before it gets better.


55 posted on 06/21/2006 6:10:52 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
And even the Methodist, of all people, have become sickly liberal bastions in many parts of the country.

This part, for example.

56 posted on 06/21/2006 6:13:10 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions, keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: rhema

LOL. Yep. Anytime you hear the words "social justice", you be sure the group is a nest of moonbats.


57 posted on 06/21/2006 6:16:19 PM PDT by pissant
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To: pissant
And the mass is beautiful and traditional, as long as you avoid the ones with guys playing guitars and caterwauling. LOL

Anthony Esolen seems inclined to agree.

58 posted on 06/21/2006 6:16:31 PM PDT by rhema ("Break the conventions, keep the commandments." -- G. K. Chesterton)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

"... a man should have one day of the week to escape seemingly endless chatter."

My wife keeps asking me why I'm looking at my laptop and snickering.


59 posted on 06/21/2006 6:20:17 PM PDT by Borian (Don't mess with Texas...)
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To: rhema

Yep. Fortunately, they have not rewritten the traditional hymns in in the songbooks we get. But they sure included alot of lousy newer songs that I tune out. Awful dirges.


60 posted on 06/21/2006 6:20:32 PM PDT by pissant
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