Posted on 05/17/2006 7:47:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog
Edited on 05/17/2006 8:30:59 AM PDT by Lead Moderator. [history]
"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858
It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?
A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.
Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.
We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.
In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.
The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.
The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.
We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.
The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.
Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.
I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.
This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.
I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.
Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.
I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?
Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?
If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.
Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.
Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?
Do it for Pukin.
I knew that you could.
We're talking 25 years population growth. 100,000,000 unassimilated is even too many. 200,000,000 based on your comments might not be feasible but even half that # is enough to cause major problems.
Seal the border now and lets deal with the internal issue of identifying and counting those that are already here.
Shortly after, it is discovered that a brand new *anti-everything not perfect* website has been launched.
Are you going to jump, or are you going to just hang around threatening to jump?
I guess Bush himself has nothing to do with the fact that people are growing tired of some of the liberal policies, excessive spending, and so on.
heh
From little one on my Mother would make me RESPECT the office of the President of the United States and told me so and her Mother before her who was a legal immigrant and came thru Ellis Island.
I cringe when I read some of the disrespectful tone some take against the President. Or the name calling. Do I agree with all he says and does nope but that does not give me the right to disrespect him.
BIG bump to your post! Especially the last paragraph
This illustrates the problem with the anti-Bushies (since I can't thing of a better phrase).
And therein lies one of the problems.
How about identifying them by their position... anti illegal alien.
Instead of insulting folks and accusing them of being anti-Bushies, why not face the issue and argue its merits or lack thereof?
Why would I have someone back when they are busy stabbing me in my back? As for replacing them? The aprty decides who they are going be replaced with! Just ask Kathleen Harris! Instead of supporting her and promoting her, they are too busy destroying her!
Sorry but the Repulicans are morphing into Democraps. Its time for 3rd party. Before you scoff 3rd party off, just remember that the Republican party was a 3rd party behind Whigs and Democraps!
I hope this thread drives off once and for all those who seek to destroy both this forum and the President.
What if you had been through all Pres. Bush has been through with his two terms - do you think you would be 100% perfect in pleasing each and every GOP voter?
There is no way to please all conservatives because so many expect us to turn back time to small government. It can't be done by any man as you can only move forward and temper the future direction.
And, it is time that we make them quit with the destructive tactics against their own GOP president. If not, we will not have any GOP presidents for the foreseeable future.
And, I prefer a GOP president to a liberal president any day.
Quote: "In 2006, the Republican Party is going to be executed by its Border Conservative base. At this point, it is unrecoverable. The President made a fatal error, and the Senate yesterday made it unrecoverable by refusing to agree to enforcement first. The pieces are now in motion, and they can't be stopped. BorderBots cannot swallow their pride and maintain their dignity if they vote GOP this year, and the GOP cannot win without them.
The Democrats will win in November because of what George Bush said Monday night, and what the Republican Senate did on Tuesday."
First off, this is exactly what I was talking about above. This is just the attitude the MSM and dems want us to have, namely, the "its too late, why even bother attitude." I don't except that for one second.
Secondly, its just what Pukin said, namely, that you throw out the steak just because there is a sprig of parsely on it. What about the House? They have a bill that is exactly what the "BorderBots" want. They are holding their ground. In the end, they will have to accept some of what the Senate Bill has, but the opposite will be true as well or there will be no bill. Will that bill be perfect, no. But it will be a better bill than that piece of crap coming from the Senate.
I suspect that you do expect perfection. Despite the protestations of your post, your problem is that a mega wall will not be built on the border starting today. I just don't think that was ever going to be the case. But, perhaps we can get it started.
You have your position, Bush has his own. He is not our servant, but our representative. I don't agree with him on immigration either, but we got Sam Alito, baby.
I also believe it is a foregone conclusion that Bush will get another pick before he leaves office, and I don't want a smaller Senate majority having to deal with Spectervision.
You can be right in every respect on immigration, and all I am saying is that we should be able to argue and debate the subject without personally attacking the man because he doesn't see it as we do.
I cant wait to go off on the next FReeper who types the word 'jorge' on this forum.
B.S. I have disagreed with President Bush's immigration positions repeatedly and vociferously.
Not all conservatives who have given up on the GOP are fatalistic or quitters. Some think losing the house or Senate would be a good lesson for them, others think things will only improve if they get worse first, and others never considered the current crop of GOPers to be conservatives. Many motivations, that have been brought to a head by the immigration issue.
I'm NOT a republican, nor do I want to be. I have not given up on Bush or the House. I plan to keep pushing them to the right, as best I can. I gave up on the Senate a long, long time ago. I can count on one hand the Senators I have any respect for or faith in.
But the fact remains that the horse left the barn for many on this forum.
But the gottadamerung crowd is already preparing for the big finale.
Great post!
these are important ideas.
Its been strange around here the last two weeks.
Quote "Instead of insulting folks and accusing them of being anti-Bushies, why not face the issue and argue its merits or lack thereof?"
Correct. It isn't that people hate Bush. It is the fact that Bush is making VERY bad decisions. He has lost his base...I mean you know it is bad when Ted Kennedy is praising President Bush.
Come on people. Are we so stupid as to not know what we even believe? Should we just follow Bush right off the cliff?
I think we have lost the true conservatives in this nation. There are few left.
Sad Sad Sad - and just read all the comments in this thread. It is obvious that our nation is doomed when we can't even remember what a true leader is.
I've been working hard to oppose the "I'll vote Hillary in and teach the RINOs a lesson" trolls.
However, I went toe-to-toe with many and actually got beat up pretty bad on this point.
For the incumbent RINOs----THERE IS NO PRIMARY!
So, the GOP Party apparatus is set up to encourage RINO-ness in close elections.
For better or for worse, the GOP is not providing a steam-valve to let these trolls vent any meaningful way in an election. (Not that the DNC is either, but the two party system is broken when it comes to prizing incumbency uber alles.)
THANK you, Pukin, for this great rant!
HONOR, RESPECT, SELF-CONTROL, DECENCY.
Please, people!! Can we bring them back to this forum?? Please??
Oh you could not be any more wrong about that. What we Bushbots disdain is disgusting attacks, not disagreement. I'll say that as often as I need to.
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