"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

[Pukin Dog]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858

It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?

A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.

Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.

We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.

The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.

The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.

We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.

The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.

Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.

This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.

I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.

Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.

I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?

Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.

Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Do it for Pukin.

I knew that you could.

[Smogger]

Anyway, if we can't seem to budge on the fence now, we're going to be forced to give it next year by loss in November.

They are going to get a big fence. Hell! I want a fence to. I think everyone does, but I doubt that will placate the most hardliners who seemed to have whipped themselves into a frenzy.

[processing please hold]

Very.

[CWOJackson]

I do want the borders sealed...particular those that the terrorist have been using up north.

[Pukin Dog]

I think a wall is going to be the ultimate outcome of this debate. But I am going to get medieval on the first FReeper who complains about spending if it happens, because that wall will cost some enormous dollars.

[DCPatriot]

I'm afraid you're correct.

History will write that the Republicans became a minority party because of the immigration reform of 2006 amd the complicity of the mainstream media and their BS polls.

There's no need for the Dems to have their dead vote any longer. They can truly RIP.

THe only thing that can save us is a WMD detonating in a few liberal-sucking cities...or if God kept it raining in Massachusetts for another forty days and nights.

[pollyannaish]

Exactly. FR is one strange masquerade Ball. Sometimes it is even a smidge Twilight Zoney.

[nicmarlo]

Then that should be YOUR mission. Focus on the north.

Many others will focus on the south.

The senators and representatives will hear it loud and clear: seal the borders, north and south.

[ohioWfan]

You're welcome. The sexist stuff slips by pretty often.

It seems petty to hit the abuse button on it, but maybe if we all did, the guilty ones would be noticed and eventually called on it.

It is a regular occurance, and IMO, despicable.

(Especially since we women are the smart ones anyway. ;)

[maica]

For the record --

I have had CSPAN on the Senate channel all afternoon. At least half of the time no one is speaking in the Senate Chamber. Where is the "debate?" Does every one know how they plan to vote before they hear a word of argument? Why don't they have virtual Senate votes and then they would not ever have to show up in DC. What a charade!

[Lakeshark]

No, actually I've said you sound like Kos and DU with some of the things you say. I did not say you yourself are reading their stuff, I am just saying you should be aware that some of your stuff comes from their ilk and no true conservative would say stuff like that. I pointed one out as a good example last night. Isn't that what they say? That Bush is an eevil capitalist pig feeding his big business cronies?

I do not want to call you names, if I did, I apologize (I did call someone else names last night). I do want you to know that some of the things you are saying are kind of weird sounding, much like the Kos screeds. That is not name calling.

I think your example of Schlafly is true, she has promoted conservative values for a long time. I think she has gone a bit over the edge on this issue myself.

I do know we disagree on this issue in one area. I do not believe this one issue is enough to take away all the rest of what I believe in, you seem to think it is big enough to take away everything else.

I think that is the disagreement. Did I say it correctly?

As to the marginalization and name calling........I have used the term border bot to belittle those who call me and others who agree with me Bush bots. I have not called you a border bot, and have tried not to call you a name. The border bots started the name calling, not me. I think the term I use is more correct, and a little humorous considering it's simple turn about. I disagree with Bush on quite a few things, including the border issue. I agree with him enough on other issues more important to me, ie WOT, abortion, free enterprise, conservative judges to support him in this representative republic of ours, and am willing to cut him some slack as this debate roars through since he appears to be responding postively for the first time. The consequences of becoming a border bot are as I said in my prior post, it puts in jeopardy every thing else you and I believe in.

Please address that if you would, and explain why you think it doesn't.

[CWOJackson]

"But I am going to get medieval on the first FReeper who complains about spending if it happens, because that wall will cost some enormous dollars."

You might as well get the chain-mail out and start polishing it. Two complaints that go together so often are "selling us out of the border" and "big government spender".

[Pukin Dog]

Even after today's sweep, we did not get all of them. Some of them hung back today, thinking that we still don't know who they are. I suspect we wont see some of them until right before the elections this fall. Cant zap them if they don't post.... But we will have our share of kamikaze's popping up as new trolls just to try to get a shot in here and there.

[pollyannaish]

If it makes any difference, a little over half of the first generation southern border immigrant population in my area vote straight GOP. And sometimes the percentage is even higher.

I have generally found that people who chose to come here to work hard (Not the punks along the southern border who are here only to make trouble) and make a life for themselves actually appreciate what America has to offer. That almost automatically makes them conservative.

[dfwddr]

Let me sum it up this way. I was a Perot supporter against Bush1. Ross Perot had a history of being a great friend to the military, and I was angry with Bush1 over "no new taxes" and cutbacks in the military that resulted in less flying hours for pilots in training. Perot supporters are responsible for Bill Clinton. Bill Clinton is responsible for 911. I have major guilt that I helped elect Bill Clinton. I will never, EVER again work against the GOP if it means that another stinkin Democrat might run this country. I hope that is sufficient explanation for my philosophy

WOW, same though process, same action, same result here. Thought I was the only one. Nice to know I'm not alone.

[CWOJackson]

Yep, some will focus on the lettuce pickers, others will focus on the jihadists with explosives.

[trubluolyguy]

LOL, I bet it was.....like herding cats.

[OPS4]

Very good Dog, I am with you 100% on your post.

I will continue to blast the trolls, even if the moderators do not zot them.

It seems the Mods have been lax.
Ops4

[dirtboy]

Doesn't it make sense, on a forum owned by JimRob, that the Lead Moderator and the Admin Moderators would agree with HIS position? (i.e. that we, as conservatives, should fight tooth and nail to make sure the country doesn't fall into the hands of leftist traitors?)

That is my position as well. I just disagree with JimRob and the mods as to the most likely way for the Dems to come to power, and that is why I debate this issue.

I think President Bush's guest worker proposal is causing serious harm to the re-election chances of the House GOP members. Your opinion may vary. But I am not calling for a boycott of the GOP this election - to the contrary, I am asking of Bush that he shelve his guest worker proposal for now and call for even more border security as to help the GOP in the November elections. Bush, once again, will never run for re-election. But his fate as president hinges directly on the GOP holding the House. He needs to be on the same side of those guys on this issue and not playing footsie with Senate Dems and RINOs to get his immigration agenda passed.

and not whine that the Mods are taking the side of the owner of the forum.

Mods also have their own regular screen names. IMO they should post tehir opinions under those screen names.

[Pukin Dog]

Oh no.

There were some 19 million of us who all had a sustained brain fart that year.

[AntiGuv]

No one that I've seen has assumed your inane, ridiculous straw man that "every single immigrant" to this nation would vote for Democrats. What I've assumed is that new Latino citizens will continue voting much the same way as new Latino citizens vote now, which is upward of 80% in favor of Democrats. What that means, if you take the most modest projections of new citizens that would be imported by GWB's amnesty policies is a minimum net increase of 18 million Democrats.