"A HOUSE DIVIDED" - Pukin's FReeperversary Rant

[Pukin Dog]

"A house divided against itself cannot stand." – Abraham Lincoln, 1858

It is getting somewhat strange around these parts when not only the President, but yesterday the First Lady was personally attacked by someone claiming to be a ‘Conservative’. Can there be any doubt that there are forces among us looking to drive a wedge between us?

A few weeks ago, this forum’s owner attempted to remind all of us of the big picture, that regardless of any personal animosity towards the President or Republican Party over their adherence to Conservative principles, that they are still a clear choice over the alternative Democrat Party rule. At that time, I assumed that FReeper-sanity had been restored, and that some of the negative rhetoric aimed at those in Washington D.C. would be dialed back.

Free Republic is a political forum with a proud history and vision, responsible for dragging Dan Rather from his post, and providing countless radio-talk shows with their daily talking points. FReepers are unique in their determination and energy towards protecting and defending the goals of our Founding Fathers.

We are also quite a powder keg of emotion and anticipation, expecting our Republican majorities to take advantage of this opportunity to make permanent gains in our Conservative agenda. Some might argue that this opportunity has been squandered, but those persons would be ignorant of history, lacking understanding that change cannot occur overnight in Washington, and that this is the way our Founders designed our Republic.

In frustration, impatience, and ignorance, we have allowed this forum to become a haven for those who do not share our Conservative goals. I do not blame our enemies anymore then I would blame a scorpion for stinging me. If anger and stupidity were one’s nature, I would expect the trolls that infect this forum to be angry and stupid consistently, which also makes them somewhat easy to detect.

The trolls are not the problem, though. The problem is that so many of us are allowing ourselves to be taken in by those who seek only to prevent us from going to the polls in November to keep their stinking hands off our government for another term. There can be no doubt, that no matter how disappointing our current government has been in promoting the Conservative agenda, that the alternative, enabled by our staying home will be MUCH worse.

The way to deal with Republicans who have actively worked against our goals is to defeat them in Primary elections. We do not even have to defeat them all, only enough of them to send the message that we will indeed target them if they work against our agenda. It should be the goal of EVERY conservative to see that Lincoln Chaffee is defeated in November. His seat is one we can afford to lose. Were I a Rhode Island resident, I would vote for the Democrat if only to send a message to Snowe, Hagel, Collins, Graham, and especially that bastard Specter that their primaries just got a lot tougher.

We only need to get one of them, and Chaffee is the one to get. It does not really matter if a Democrat takes his seat; he will be junior and mute as long as we maintain our overall majority in the Senate.

The one thing that bothers me here like nothing else, is the simple disrespect of the President. Am I am Bush-Bot? Damn straight I am. If you want to know why, click on my handle to read Southack’s excellent list of Bush’s accomplishments in office. But if Bush had done almost nothing in office, it would be no excuse for some of the slights and disrespect he has received from some of us on this forum.

Some of the things I have read here this past week match in tone what one can find on our favorite Democrat sewer site. Someone calling himself or herself a FReeper was promoting shooting aliens at the border until they stopped coming. Is that what we are about? Obviously not, and that so-called Conservative has been eliminated from this forum.

I think it is important to remember that you and I have just as much responsibility as George Bush does in changing our culture to better reflect Conservative values. Right now, this very moment, Conservatives have the government they deserve. We put them there. They are not our mommies and daddies sent out to bring home our Conservative bread. That responsibility lies with all of us. These Republicans represent us, they don’t serve us. Our job is to pick the best individual and send him/her to Washington in the hope that their CHARACTER will see them through.

This is why it is such a nutty thing to consider punishing the Republican party, when we should be letting them know that we’ve got their back, but if they cant do the job, we will replace them with ANOTHER Republican, instead of handing the reigns of government to the party of anger, hopelessness and despair. We sometimes like to think that those people we send to Washington are different from us, that they are capable of meeting our every need and desire.

I want every one of you to think about what you would consider to be your perfect mate. Maybe some of you think you have found that person. If you are married and totally in love with another person, that is great. Now I want to ask you to think about the last time that person you love, who is PERFECT for you, completely pissed you off. Remember, this is your perfect mate, your one true love. Do they do everything you want them to do? Obey your every desire? If you answer yes, I am going to put you on my troll list.

Those people in Washington do not even cut your lawn, yet you expect perfection. Get over it.

I am issuing a challenge to every person who considers him or her to be a Conservative; why don’t we all commit to a return to HONOR? Do we honor our Conservative agenda when we comport ourselves in disgraceful ways? Is it an honorable thing to suggest that our President is a moron, as I read here a few days ago? Is it honorable to attack Laura Bush or any other person representing true Conservative values?

Some of you might argue that George Bush is not representing Conservative values to your liking. I would remind you that the first thing Bush said upon taking office, is that he was going to be President of ALL the people, not just some. You know that if you followed Bush from the beginning that he campaigned of the very immigration platform he is defending right now. Did you vote for him? Yeah?

If you have ever had a steak at a Ruth’s Chris restaurant, you know that sometimes they bring that wonderful steak to your table with a sprig of parsley on it. I hate parsley. Hate it. If I were to treat my steak the way some of us want to treat our President, I would have to throw out the steak, due to that nasty parsley that comes with it. I can deal with the parsley to get the steak, and that is what I am asking FReepers to do.

Expecting perfection from any person, group or team is a recipe for disaster. George W. Bush is my president. You can disagree with him, you can blame him for your problems if that is your desire. If you disrespect his office, his service, his risking his life to be with our troops in Iraq, his steadfast desire to bring a new tone to Washington, or if you just like the way he keeps Democrats so pissed off they lose their minds on a regular basis, I ask you to treat him and his wife with respect and cut the personal attacks. If you call him ‘Shrub’ or ‘Jorge’ consider yourself my enemy.

Right now, our real enemy are the Main Stream Media, the Democrat Party, and all who follow and support them. If you want to jump-ugly on someone, why not start with those leaky bastards and give our side a break?

Do it for Pukin.

I knew that you could.

[George W. Bush]

Too many posts to respond to individually, so I'll make this simple point. To those of you who believe that the immigration bill will be the death knell for the GOP, I think you should revise your counts. There are not enough of you to hand the majority to the Democrats, which is EXACTLY why trolls have come to Free Republic to recruit MORE of you.

You should try reading. What I was saying (and AntiGuv referred to) is that if the Dims get 30 million new voters from an amnesty with more to come via chain migration, the GOP will never win another election, specifically, never hold any of the three branches of government again in my lifetime. And this is why the Dims and the media are so eager to promote how popular this amnesty is with bogus polls and such.

I don't advocate trying to defeat the GOP this fall. Especially not in the House who have been the friends of conservatives. I guess conservative House Republicans are border trolls too to some people.

[CWOJackson]

You aren't up on the LAPD problems? Wow.

[Torie]

Help me with some of this.

[LucyT]

LOL, apparently I was wrong, see # 1,025. I thought I was wrong once before but I was mistaken.

[pollyannaish]

It was probably three or four years ago during a similar kerfuffle. Maybe longer, it's all a blur. Very enlightening and I've had great respect for them ever since. They don't just ban people arbitrarily most of the time. They know what they're doing. To post the info was an excellent call on the part of management.

BTW, you guys might want to ping the LM/SBM. They might actually be happy to answer your questions directly if you ask nicely.

They always have for me.

[CWOJackson]

If you're interested I suggest you google. I have no desire to get side tracked with the ongoing problems within the LAPD.

[yellowdoghunter]

Thanks, but I think I will pass.

[nicmarlo]

Yep....keep your focus on that northern border because those 10,500,000 illegals that come in here every year, at a minimum, have done absolutely no damage to America or Americans.

Keep your focus on the northern border because that increase by 137% of OTM's, many of whom are of Middle Eastern descent, coming up from Mexico, which has known terrorist organizations, isn't a threat to Americans, because terrorists are too stupid to come through America's vulnerable pourous border that the 10,500,000 manage to get through.

[pollyannaish]

Somehow that does not surprise me.

[DCPatriot]

Very unprofessional.

I disagree. If it happened all the time perhaps.

But today, it reminds us that the mods are human too.

This thread is a perfect reminder that....well, I haven't been to Chris' Steakhouse in about a year. ;^)

[La Enchiladita]

SHEESH!!!

[ohioWfan]

Just a thought for you dirtboy.....

Doesn't it make sense, on a forum owned by JimRob, that the Lead Moderator and the Admin Moderators would agree with HIS position? (i.e. that we, as conservatives, should fight tooth and nail to make sure the country doesn't fall into the hands of leftist traitors?)

If your 'side' goes against the express purpose of the forum, doesn't it make sense that ALL the Mods are on the other 'side?'

I would think that you would appreciate that you are given free speech and can express your views freely, and not whine that the Mods are taking the side of the owner of the forum.

Doesn't that make sense to you?

[Torie]

If you mean the Rampart scandal, that was 6 years ago, and blown way out of proportion, and mostly hype. I thought you meant something ongoing and real, involving money.

[Pukin Dog]

What I was saying (and AntiGuv referred to) is that if the Dims get 30 million new voters from an amnesty

Fine, but that is a specious charge. Why would anyone assume that every single immigrant to this nation would vote for Democrats? You are assuming that these people are all greedy villainous thugs seeking handouts? Way to stereotype there.

Surely Dems believe that they will own those votes, but it does not have to be that way by default, even if your numbers prove true.

I refuse to accept the notion that everyone who comes to America is looking for a welfare check, instead of an opportunity to realize the American dream through their own hard work.

[Vicomte13]

"I do continue to be a bit more optimistic than you.
If by November the state of play is as follows ...
(1) The House has stymied a guest worker plan ... so essentially no legislation has passed except some increased funding for border security.
(2) The President has actually taken some serious steps to secure the border ... and there is evidence it is working.
(3) We have seen footage of the Guard troops building barriers and fences at critical border crossings.
... then I'm not so sure the absence of a fence will cause mass defections in November.
Now, if guest worker gets through Congress but the fence doesn't ... put me down for the apocalyptic November scenario."

You are more optimistic than me, I think, because I don't think you're giving the proper weight to the BorderBots' sense of being BETRAYED by the Republican leadership and the President.

You've got to put yourself in their shoes. He didn't just say no to most of what they have said they wanted on Monday night: he proposed a policy that makes everything they fear WORSE. No border wall AND no enforcement against employers AND guest workers AND amnesty-which-is-not-called-amnesty.

They saw a positive and willful effort not just to ignore them, but to DELUDE them by pretending to offer the opposite of what is really on the table.

And they were (and are) INCANDESCENT about it.

You're assuming they will cool down and be lulled.

I am very sure that they are just like the tax hawks in 1992. NOTHING BUSH 41 DID after he raised taxes, nothing, could save his presidency. The tax hawks believed they were lied to. They took it personally, and they rejected every overture of reconciliation. They would have accepted a tax CUT as contrition, but of course the one thing that offended them was not on the table.

The BorderBots feel betrayed, and they fully expect flim-flam to try and convince them all is well. They were commenting angrily about the token enforcement against employers, and they responded by posting stats that showed the NON-enforcement against employers for years and years and years, the steady dwindling of enforcement.

Now, you're pinning your hopes on the BorderBots not being as mad as I think they are, and not being as fiercely committed as I know they are, and being more easily duped than they really are.

In short, your optimism is misplaced. If the BorderBots don't get their fence, they're going to retaliate. I am as sure of this as Longstreet was of the disaster that would befall Pickett's Charge. The pieces are all there.

The way to avoid the disaster is to give the BorderBots their fence and start building it. Hell, if you've got to lie to them, DON'T do it by pretending that the thing that they DON'T want, which is partial enforcement and a few national guard here and there is really working! They're not going to be fooled by that.
No, if you're going to lie to them politically, tell them you're fencing the WHOLE border, sea-to-sea (use those words), with an Israeli Wall (provide the image), and then START IT, so they see the pictures. Then they vote for you, you save Congress, and just go at a snail's pace after that.

I don't advocate lying at all in politics, but if we're going to resort to flim-flam, at least aim the flim-flam for MAXIMUM IMPACT! Maximum impact is TELLING PEOPLE WHAT THEY WANT TO HEAR, and LOOKING LIKE YOU'RE DOING IT...but then never getting around to quite finishing it in the out years.
That gives people a sense of victory now.
Refusing to give them such a (false) victory on THEIR terms (even if you intend to screw them in the end) but insisting, instead, on doing everything on YOUR terms...and then trying to persuade furiously angry people who hate you that, see, you were right after all...well...that's a good way to see Speaker Pelosi.

Give them their Wall, and we don't have anything to worry about.
If you're going to lie to them, give them their Wall and build part of it, then slow down after the election. (Of course, once you start, they may not let you get away with stopping, but that's THEIR problem - right now the problem is overcoming distrust and anger. You do that by giving the other guy a big thing that he wants.)

I can't be optimistic like you are, because I believe it's a false hope likely to lead to bad choices.

The only way to save the Republican majority in Congress in 2006 is to give the BorderBots their sea-to-sea wall and start visibly throwing it up. Voting for parts of the wall will not do it. You have to say you're building the whole thing.

[CWOJackson]

"....because terrorists are too stupid to come through America's vulnerable pourous border that the 10,500,000 manage to get through."

Hmmmmmm. The two largest Islamic fundlementalist enclaves outside of the Muslim world are in Canada. The U.S. Canadian border extends across thousands of miles of unobserved wilderness forest, mountain ranges, rivers, lakes and the Great Lakes.

Yep, you're right, it would make more sense for them to take a boat from Canada to Mexico, then try to cross into the U.S. through the most heavily patrolled U.S. border.

I sure hope they think like you.

[nicmarlo]

Glad you're on board for wanting the borders sealed!

[CWOJackson]

Corruption involves many things, not just money.

[Warren_Piece]

Earlier there was a discussion on whether Rat operatives had infiltrated us, or if that idea was a figment of our imaginations.

To those who believe the latter, I got one word for you: MD4Bush.

Do a search if you don't know what I'm talking about.

God Bless Free Republic.

[Desron13]

"I don't agree with you BorderBots on the issue, but I understand you. And I know a threat when I see it. We have to give you your damned fence, or we're sunk. So I say: give the BorderBots their fence, so that we can win the election."

I'm assuming that you have enough confidence in the House stopping this amnesty madness that you are willing to give the President and Senate a pass on the issue. I on the other hand have no such faith. If even a significant portion of this amnesty craziness gets passed, we wont ever have to worry about winning at the polls again. It just wont happen no matter how many Conservative turn out to vote. We will simply be outnumbered in our own country. The prospect terrifies me.