Posted on 05/15/2006 4:13:02 PM PDT by devane617
Edited on 05/15/2006 4:38:26 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
I searched but did not see a thread already open for tonights speech. I think this is the most important speech the President will probably make for the remainder of his term.
Mod Note:
This could turn into a whack-a-troll thread. All immigration trolls that would like to participate should post here. It'll be interesting to see if we mods can whack the trolls faster than they can sign up new accounts.
Jim
Since there wasn't a single word about accountability, not one word about the evil done to our country by these employers just what are you resting your hope on? McCain? Kennedy?
Xacly!
Hey lets all sit down and write a check to the Republican Party!...zzzzzz
Write the check to Free Republic.
Thats all we have left.
So what's new. These jerks want the National ID card as part of their New World Order. They've been trying to saddle Americans with it since the 60s and they've used every excuse under the sun in trying to push it upon us. We just had to tell them no after 9/11 which was yet another excuse they employed to try and convince us we need it. We have a system in place for these things already. Trouble is, no one is enforcing the laws so it doesn't work as a result. This is all a pile of transparent horsehockey. Impeach him.
That is already occurring in areas all over the U.S.
I was most disappointed to hear him float the canard that "some people are calling for mass deportations." Sounds like some of the real nut-case FReepers when he says that.
Ok, this is not just to you, but to all the "Mexico is not our friend" posters.
Mexico certainly isn't our "friend", in the way Britain is our friend, or even the way Canda is our friend.
But Mexico is not our enemy. If they were our enemy, we'd have to put thousands of REAL troops on our borders to defend against a REAL invasion with REAL troops. We'd have to build a wall, not to keep Mexicans out, but to keep out drug lords from Central America. Border towns would be places of fear.
Don't discount the economic advantage of having both our borders shared with countries that largely co-exist with us in peace.
I KNOW Mexico is invading us in a bloodless coup -- that's why we need to enforce our border, and that's why we need to bring the illegals already here out of the shadows, and send them home (more on that later).
I KNOW Mexico is allowing their people over the border to send money back to Mexico. We need true border security, and we need to get control over who is already here.
But if you truly want a Mexico that is our enemy, send 12 million people who currently work here and support families in Mexico BACK to Mexico, where they will be unemployed.
Millions of unemployed, impoverished people in a country with millions of dollars and a pretty decent military who blame US for their plight -- that's an enemy I'd rather avoid if I could. Sure, we could stop a million-mexican march to our border, if we were willing to shoot them.
Oh, wait. If we really built a wall, we wouldn't have to shoot them. But a million people in tents next to a big wall starving to death isn't the legacy I want for our country either.
Exactly!
I had to dwell on it, because I really had trouble grasping what you meant. King was broadcasting from the border in California tonight. My first thought was "I'd like to pitch his butt over the border." I said it slightly differently for no particular reason.
Is Larry King from Israel? You tell me, clawrence3. I don't know. I thought he was a native American citizen. I'd like to kick his butt somewhere, but, actually I am not that fussy about where. Israel seem a little to pleasant, though.
No, your question obviously carried some serious other baggage.
Don't be afraid. Let's have your insult straight up so I can answer it. I've offered you an opportunity to correct my reading of your remark....it was, after all very, oblique.
Are you, sir, calling anti-Semitism on me for taking a shot at Larry King?
There are some people on these immigration threads who always seem to twist the conversation around to anti-Semitism and, specifically, to the holocaust.
Is that what you are about? Get, a pair! Stand up and speak.
"We will lurk in the weeds, through another Dem administration, until, just like in France, things get so bad that we will be welcomed back with open arms as saviours, this time true conservative saviours, not with the RINO's we are now dealing with, whon are the same as Dems anyhow."
Except that there will be 15 million more instant Democrats when the Democrats give amnesty.
And when the Democrats control the election agencies that control the custody and programming of the Diebold voting machines, all of the machinations that THEY were sure were going on (because that's what THEY will do) WILL be going on.
The higher conservative birth rate cannot keep up with the Hispanic immigration rate, and the Democrats let illegals vote in their rotten boroughs, and once they are firmly ensconced in power, will give them amnesty.
And then another 20 million more will flood in and the process will be repeated.
You may never get out of the weeds, because a flood is overwhelming you, senora.
Seattle Conservative said: "Bush said they had to GET TO THE BACK OF THE LINE from those who are legal immigrants, learn English, etc. -- but I guess you missed those parts"
You said: "I missed the part that explains how that is to be enforced!
Very good point!
I wait with anticipation as just how enforcement will be accomplished.
Sounds like Bush is indulging in subterfuge here, but maybe I missed something.
No-- Bush indicated increased enforcement and actions which will double border agents.
Actually, in order for legislation to pass in the United States it has to pass both chambers of Congress.
This means that the border bots dominating these boards are determined to sink border enforcement by insisting that only enforcement pass House and Senate.
CLUE: THIS WILL NOT HAPPEN
I dislike this on this issue and a million others. But it seems as if the border bots don't know anything about the US senate. Bush is helping build a consensus somewhat more favorable to the House.
It is now not unreasonable for those of us who support to identify the border bots as ANTI-BORDER enforcement.
yes, that is right. You know that enforcement only will not pass the Senate but you blindly insist on discrediting Bush as if that would matter at all.
Border bots must elect senators to do their bidding as they have done in the House.
Border bots are wrong to destroy the president on this issue and true conservatives are right to call them on it.
Wrong on signing the 1986 Tax Reform.
Wrong on amnesty
Wrong on Sandra Day O'Connor and Justice Kennedy.
Wrong for raising taxes on Corporations.
Don't tell me that you loved it when Reagan spent one and a half dollars for every dollar brought into the treasury.
Darned sick of all the recovered memories around here.
This President has done more than we could have hoped. He got the education bill passed so poor disadvantaged kids can get an education intead of a trip to jail.
He got tax relief
He got us two fine Supreme Court Judges.
He didn't stand back and whine and apologyze for Embassy bombings, USS Cole bombings, WTC first bombing.
President Bush is a better president than some Americans deserve.
The illegal problem did not start on 9-11. The border states have been dealing with it for decades while it was ignored nationwide. Now it is supposed to be fixed overnight with a Congress filled with Dims and Rinos.
No way. So are you saying that all the illegals here now have to do is have sex and have babies and they're automatically all citizens. If that is the case that alone nullifies the whole argument. That should've been the second major issue to address after border enforcement.
Ah. Reward the most successful of the lawbreakers.
Unreal.
Well its a good viewpoint. I have not liked how illegals ,some that have been here for years, have been treated or talked about on this board. For years they have been here doing work and yes raising familes but the majority of Americans never gave a big hoot. As long as the food was cooked, our fields were harvested, our cars worked on , and our homes built we certaintly took the fruit of their labors. I suspect many illegals are shocked to be called criminals nowadays in the same way a rapist or bank robber is.In the end they are human beings and have a dignity as such. Many have families here that are 100 percent full blooded American. It makes no sense to me to have these families broken up. I have asked repeatly if posters that wish to deport illegal aliens or at least want to starve them out through attrition and sanctions if they would entertain an exception for cases like this. The answer has been overwhelming no. Well at the end of the day, I am not sure how that is consistent with the dignity of the human person or the importance of the family in our country.
He will but he has plenty of Republican help with that.
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