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Posted on 05/14/2006 12:05:44 PM PDT by JustPiper
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BUSH SET FOR IMMIGRATION SPEECH WHITE HOUSE President Bush is getting set for a prime-time speech on Aides note the 8 p-m, Eastern Time, speech will be the president's first from the Oval Office that does not involve Iraq and the war on terrorism. And they say that reflects Bush's He's speaking as the Senate is poised to clear a compromise measure including his idea for a guest worker program. However, a rival House bill is limited to a border crackdown, and meshing the two won't be easy. Stand Up For America ! |
We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... And we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."
organizations that protect our borders |
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Here it is! This is from last year's attempt to do the same dang thing! I am very familiar with this organization. The headquarters for FLOC/AFL/CIO is here in Toledo and its the group I've been complaining about for the past few months.
http://www.macon.com/mld/macon/news/politics/14594840.htm
Hope you don't mind, I posted this article as an immigration thread.
Immigration Bill Taking Shape in Senate
WASHINGTON - Supporters of immigration legislation are predicting they will pass a Senate bill giving millions of illegal immigrants a path to citizenship.
Critics of the legislation aren't giving up, saying they'll continue to try to reshape it.
Sen. Jeff Sessions (news, bio, voting record), R-Ala., planned to offer an amendment that would erect more fencing along the nearly 2,000-mile U.S.-Mexican border, an idea similar to one passed in December by the House.
But in a win for supporters, what had been considered a poison pill provision before Easter was softened Tuesday by two of the bill's biggest critics and the defeats of two other proposals considered killer amendments left bill supporters smelling victory.
"Those of us who are working to try to pull people together toward the middle and a comprehensive immigration reform package will succeed," said Sen. Ken Salazar, D-Colo.
The Senate was to continue working on the bill Wednesday.
The bill authorizes additional spending on border security, a guest worker program, an eventual opportunity at citizenship for most of the 12 million illegal immigrants in the country and tougher enforcement of laws prohibiting hiring of illegal workers. Senate passage appears likely by Memorial Day.
Opponents of granting legal status to most of the nation's estimated 12 million illegal immigrants planned other amendments but said the big fight will occur when negotiators try to merge the Senate bill with the House's enforcement-only legislation.
"Ultimately we all understand where this bill is going to be written. It's going to be written in the conference committee between the House and the Senate," Sen. John Cornyn (news, bio, voting record), R-Texas, said.
House Republicans remained unyielding in their opposition to legalization.
"Thinly veiled attempts to promote amnesty cannot be tolerated,' said Rep. Tom Price of Georgia. "While America is a nation of immigrants, we are also a nation of laws, and rewarding those who break our laws not only dishonors the hard work of those who came here legally but does nothing to fix our current situation."
Bill backers defeated two amendments that would have gutted the Senate bill. In votes that crossed party lines, the Senate rejected 55-40 a requirement that the border be secured before other immigration changes are made. They also voted 69-28 to scuttle a Democratic amendment to exclude foreigners and recent illegal immigrants from a new guest worker program.
The Senate also approved on a voice vote an amendment reducing the number of foreigners who could participate in the guest worker program annually from at least 325,000 to no more than 200,000. Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., also won approval for his proposal to add 1,000 more Border Patrol agents this year, 100 helicopters and 250 power boats.
President Bush gave the debate momentum by announcing in a prime-time speech Monday a plan to deploy 6,000 National Guard troops to southwestern border states to support the Border Patrol.
The proposal to use Guard troops in the four states bordering Mexico drew mixed reaction in Congress. Pentagon officials insisted the duty would not overtax the guard or interfere with preparations for combat, but some in Congress worried it would stretch the Guard too thin."
The only hope of stopping amnesty, it seems, will be with the House.
Does this mean that my focus should be on e-mailing and calling those in the House who will be directly responsible for holding firm on Sensenbrenner's bill?
Extortionists don't need no steenking moral authority.
You're such a pessimist. Think about the all jobs prison construction and staffing brings!
/sarcasm
No, not at all. While we certainly want to continue to voice our opposition of the senate bill to those who support our position we still need more votes. Pressure on all of them and don't forget to thank those who are holding steady(at least seem to be) on enforcement first. We would prefer outright victory with the senate on board. Or Committee Senators who will work hard to align with the house once it gets to committee. Otherwise it seems that we are heading for an ultimate stalemate. Which is not preferable but not a defeat either. We need to hammer home the flow has got to stop NOW. The idea we can't stop the flow without "reform" is an outright lie. Thousands cross every day. Even with the NG down there. The guard will have some effect but the flow will continue. Every Day! 1000's. Every Day!
This is an outrage! The above is the very essence of the Presdient's speech. Did he think we woudn't "get it?"
Why are they so against securing the border first?
Is it as simple as Senator Dorgren's explanation of sending high paying jobs to other countries and importing by every illegal method possible low wage workers?
This only benefits big business and screws the middle and low income Americans.
I heard it described by pundits as benefiting both: For the Republicans...Big Business and special interest groups benefit.....For the Democrats, Unions, and Catholic Church ......Votes, Union Dues, and a Recoop $ losses after scandals. That's what I've heard.
I just posted this on another thread, but did not link it here so as not to draw the 'arguers' to this thread. This whole thing has been driving me crazy and has made NO sense from day 1. JustPiper's post from her friend got me thinking that he just might be right about WHY....
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1606975/posts?page=78#78
Good to know they voted 99-0 to NOT allow ILLEGAL FELONS and 3 time offenders to be legalized.
Kennedy had argued that the offenders should NOT include those who have been apprehended for being here illegally. He said they shouldn't be faulted for or have it held against them, just because they happened to get caught! Bet that's still in there.
Wow...you're ambitious! Thanks for posting that. Very interesting.
Interesting, and makes complete sense.
Check out the new vent and MM. Outstanding commentary. We need to hammer every open borders and amnesty advocate with the type of connecting the dots she has done here.
9-11 and 7-11
http://michellemalkin.com/index.htm
I mean to catch up with all of you and the great posting, but have been busy on another thread....
Keep up the good work while Piper is on a break. We'll all keep this thread going, thanks.
Senate Immigration Bill Would Allow 100 Million New Legal Immigrants over the Next Twenty Years by Robert RectorWebMemo #1076
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If enacted, the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act (CIRA, S.2611) would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years, allowing an estimated 103 million persons to legally immigrate to the U.S. over the next 20 yearsfully one-third of the current population of the United States.
Much attention has been given to the fact that the bill grants amnesty to some 10 million illegal immigrants. Little or no attention has been given to the fact that the bill would quintuple the rate of legal immigration into the United States, raising, over time, the inflow of legal immigrants from around one million per year to over five million per year. The impact of this increase in legal immigration dwarfs the magnitude of the amnesty provisions.
In contrast to the 103 million immigrants permitted under CIRA, current law allows 19 million legal immigrants over the next twenty years. Relative to current law, then, CIRA would add an extra 84 million legal immigrants to the nations population.
The figure of 103 million legal immigrants is a reasonable estimate of the actual immigration inflow under the bill and not the maximum number that would be legally permitted to enter. The maximum number that could legally enter would be almost 200 million over twenty yearsover 180 million more legal immigrants than current law permits.
Immigration Status To understand the provisions of CIRA, largely based on a compromise by Senators Chuck Hagel (RNebraska) and Mel Martinez (RFlorida), it is useful to distinguish between the three legal statuses that a legal immigrant might hold:
A key feature of CIRA is that most immigrants identified as temporary are, in fact, given convertible status with a virtually unrestricted opportunity to become legal permanent residents and then citizens.
Another important feature of both CIRA and existing immigration law is that immigrants in convertible or LPR status have the right to bring spouses and minor children into the country. Spouses and dependent children will be granted permanent residence along with the primary immigrant and may also become citizens. In addition, after naturalizing, an immigrant has the right to bring his parents into the U.S. as permanent residents with the opportunity for citizenship. There are no numeric limits on the number of spouses, dependent children, and parents of naturalized citizens that may be brought into the country. Additionally, the siblings and adult children (along with their families) of naturalized citizens and the adult children (and their families) of legal permanent residents are given preference in future admission but are subject to numeric caps.
Key Provisions of CIRA Four key provisions of CIRA would result in an explosive increase in legal immigration.
Amnesty for Current Illegal Immigrants: CIRA offers amnesty and citizenship to 85 percent of the nations current 11.9 million illegal immigrants. Under the plan, illegal immigrants who have been in the U.S. for five years or more (60 percent of illegals) would be granted immediate amnesty. Illegal immigrants who have been in the country between two and five years (25 percent of illegals) could travel to one of 16 ports of entry, where they would receive amnesty and lawful work permits.[1] In total, the bill would grant amnesty to 85 percent of the current illegal immigrant population, or some 10 million individuals.
After receiving amnesty, illegal immigrants would spend six years in a provisional status before attaining LPR status. After five years in LPR status, they would have the opportunity to become naturalized citizens and vote in U.S. elections. As well, the spouses and dependent children of current illegal immigrants would have the right to enter the U.S. and become citizens.[2] There would be no numeric limit on the number of illegal immigrants, spouses, and dependents receiving LPR status; under the amnesty provision, such individuals would not be counted against any other cap or limit in immigration law.[3]
The New Temporary Guest Worker Program: CIRA creates an entirely new temporary guest worker (H-2C) program. There is nothing temporary about this program; nearly all guest workers would have the right to become permanent residents and then citizens.
Foreign workers could enter the U.S. as guest workers if they have a job offer from a U.S. employer. In practical terms, U.S. companies would recruit foreign workers to enter the guest worker program and immigrate to the U.S. Most likely, intermediate employment firms would specialize in recruiting foreign labor for U.S. employers.
Guest workers would be allowed to remain in the U.S. for six years.[4] However, in the fourth year, the guest worker could ask for LPR status and would receive it if he has learned English or is enrolled in an English class.[5] There are no numeric limits on the number of guest workers who could receive LPR status. Upon receiving LPR status, the guest worker could remain in the country permanently. He could become a U.S. citizen and vote in U.S. elections after just five more years.
The spouses and minor children of guest workers would also be permitted to immigrate to the U.S.[6] When guest workers petition for LPR status, their spouses and children would receive it as well. Five years after obtaining LPR status, these spouses could become naturalized citizens. The bill sets no limit on the number of spouses and children who could immigrate under the guest worker program. After workers and their spouses have obtained citizenship, they would be able to bring in their parents as legal permanent residents.
The bill does provide numeric limits on the number of guest workers who can enter the country each year, but the number starts high and then grows exponentially. In the first year, 325,000 H-2C visas would be given out, but if employer demand for guest workers is high, that number could be boosted by an extra 65,000 in the next year. If employer demand for H-2C workers continues to be high, the number of H-2C visas could be raised by up to 20 percent in each subsequent year.
The 20 percent exponential escalator provision allows the number of H-2C immigrants to climb steeply in future years. If the H-2C cap were increased by 20 percent each year, within twenty years the annual inflow of workers would reach 12 million. At this 20 percent growth rate, a total of 70 million guest workers would enter the U.S. over the next two decades and none would be required to leave. While it is unlikely that so many workers would enter, the program does have the potential to bring ten of millions of immigrants to the U.S.
The guest worker program, then, is an open door program, based on the demands of U.S. business, that would allow an almost unlimited number of workers and dependents to enter the U.S. from anywhere in world and become citizens. It is essentially an open border provision.
Additional Permanent Visas for Siblings, Adult Children, and their Families: The permanent entry of non-immediate relativessuch as brothers, sisters, and adult childrenis currently subject to a cap of 480,000 per year minus the number of immediate relatives (the parents, spouses, and minor children of U.S. citizens) admitted in the prior year. CIRA eliminates the deduction for immediate relatives from the cap.[7] This effectively increases the number of non-immediate relatives who could attain LPR status by 254,000 per year.
Additional Permanent Employment Visas: The U.S. currently issues around 140,000 employment-based visas each year. Under CIRA, the U.S. would issue 450,000 employment-based green cards per year between 2007 and 2016.[8] After 2016, the number would fall to 290,000 per year.[9] Under current law, LPR visas going to the spouses and children of workers with employment-based visas are counted against the cap. Under CIRA, these spouses and children would be removed from the cap and given legal permanent residence without numeric limits.[10] Historically, 1.2 dependent relatives have entered the U.S. for each worker under employment-based immigration programs.[11] This means that some 990,000 persons per year would be granted LPR status until 2016 and, after that, 638,000 per year.
Estimating Future Immigration Under CIRA Most provisions of CIRA are straightforward; in many categories, the number of future immigrants allowed is either directly stated or can be easily calculated from the laws provisions. In some areas, however, the laws impact is uncertain. To estimate future legal immigration under the bill, three assumptions have been used in this paper:
A Flood of Legal Immigrants Under CIRA, immigrants could enter the country or attain lawful status within the country through eight channels. In each channel, immigrants would be granted permanent residence and the right to become citizens. The first channel represents immigrants who would have entered under current law; the second channel represents illegal immigrants who are currently in the country and would be given legal permanent residence under the bill. The other six channels represent new inflows of legal immigrants that would occur as a result of the bill. The total number of new legal immigrants over a twenty year period would be as follows: (See and .)
Overall, the bill would allow some 103 million persons to legally immigrate over the next twenty years. This is roughly one-third of the current population of the United States. All of these new entrants would be permanent residents and would have the right to become citizens. This would be a 84 million person net increase over current law.
Legal Flow Compared to Illegal Immigration All of the immigration discussed to this point would be legal immigration. If illegal immigration continued after enactment of S.2611, the inflow of immigrants would be even greater. Although illegal immigration is considered a major problem, the proposed legal immigration under CIRA would dwarf it numerically. The net inflow of illegal immigrants into the U.S. population is around 700,000 per year.[16] Legal immigration under CIRA would exceed five million per year, seven times the rate of the current illegal immigration flow. Annual legal and illegal immigration together now equals about 1.7 million; future legal immigration alone under CIRA would be three times this amount.
Range of Estimates The figure of 103 million new legal immigrants is based on the assumption that immigration under the guest worker program would grow at 10 percent per year. If guest-worker immigration grows at the maximum rate permitted by the bill, 20 percent per year, the total number of new immigrants coming to the U.S. over the next twenty years would be 193 million. On the other hand, if immigration under the H-2C program did not increase at all for two decades but remained fixed at the initial level of 325,000 per year, total legal immigration under CIRA would be 72 million over twenty years, or more than three times the level that would occur under current law. (See .)
The tables in the Appendix show annual inflows of total legal immigrants in each of the eight channels mentioned above over the next twenty years. The tables show the estimated yearly rate of immigration under three scenarios for the H-2C program: zero growth, ten percent growth, and twenty percent growth.
Dwarfing the Great Migration Between 1870 and 1920, the U.S. experienced a massive flow of immigration known as the great migration. During this period, foreign born persons hovered between 13 and 15 percent of the population.[17]In 1924, Congress passed major legislation greatly reducing future immigration. By 1970, foreign born persons had fallen to 5 percent of the population.
In the last three decades, immigration has increased sharply. The foreign born now comprise around 12 percent of the population, approaching the levels of the early 1900s. However, if CIRA were enacted, and 100 million new immigrants entered the country over the next twenty years, foreign born persons would rise to over one quarter of the U.S. population.[18] There is no precedent for that level of immigration at any time in U.S. history.
Conclusion If enacted, CIRA would be the most dramatic change in immigration law in 80 years. In its overall impact on the nation, the bill would rival other historic milestones, such as the creation of Social Security or Medicare.
The bill would give amnesty to 10 million illegal immigrants and quintuple the rate of legal immigration into the U.S. Under the bill, the annual inflow of immigrants with the option of becoming legal permanent residents would rise from the current level of one million per year to more than five million per year. Within a few years, the annual inflow of new immigrants would exceed one percent of the current U.S. population. This would be the highest immigration rate in U.S. history.
Within 20 years, some 103 million new immigrants would enter the U.S. This number is about one-third of the current U.S. population. All of these immigrants would be permanent residents with the right to become citizens and vote in U.S. elections. CIRA would transform the United States socially, economically, and politically. Within two decades, the character of the nation would differ dramatically from what exists today.
Robert Rector is Senior Research Fellow in Domestic Policy Studies at The Heritage Foundation.
[1] S.2611, Section 601. [2] S.2611 under Section 601, section 245B(a)(2). [3] S.2611, under Section 601, section 245B (a)(3). [4] S.2611, Section 403 (f)(1). [5] S.2611 Section 408 (n)(1)(B). [6] See S.6211, Section 403 (m)(1). Some might argue that the number of guest workers who would be permitted to attain LPR status would be subject to the overall caps on employment-based permanent visas elsewhere in law. But Section 408(h) of the bill, which deals with the right of guest workers to convert to LPR status, clearly states that employment-based immigrant visas shall be made available to an alien having nonimmigrant status described in section 101(a)(15)(H)(ii)(c) [the H-2C program] upon the filing of a petition for such a visa. In other word, LPR status shall be granted to any guest worker upon his filing of petition; there is no mention of any numeric cap or other mechanism limits the number of such status adjustments. If the bills authors intend to limit the opportunity of guest workers to obtain legal permanent residence with a numeric cap, then the bill should explicitly state that fact. [7] S.2611 Section 501 (a) [8] S.2611 Section 501(b) [9] S.2611, Section 501(b) [10] S.2611, Section 501(b) [11] Ruth Ellen Wasem, U.S. Immigration Policy on Permanent Admissions, CRS Report for Congress, Congressional Research Service, Library of Congress, May 12, 2006, p. 18. [12] Ibid. [13] Several factors have not been included in the estimates. The paper ignores future levels of illegal immigration. The paper assumes that there are some 12 million illegal immigrants in the U.S.; this widely used figure rests on the assumption that nearly all illegal immigrants are counted in annual Census surveys. In fact, the number of illegal immigrants in the U.S. may be much larger; this would mean that the number of immigrants eligible for amnesty would also be higher. The paper also assumes that there will be no successful fraud in applications for amnesty; in fact, the standards for proving prior residence and employment in the U.S. are very flimsy. Fraud may be prevalent, further boosting amnesty numbers. Finally, there is no attempt to estimate return to native countries or reverse migration by new immigrants. In effect, the paper assumes that returns will be matched by a corresponding increase in new entrants under the H-2C program. [14] This number is the net increase in immigration due to the legislation and does not include the secondary family members who would have immigrated under current law. [15] This number is the net increase in employment-based immigration and does not include persons who would have immigrated under current law. [16] Jeffrey Passel Unauthorized Migrants: Numbers and Characteristics, Pew Hispanic Center, Washington, D.C, June 14, 2005, p.6. [17]National Research Council, The New Americans: Economic, Demographic and Fiscal Effects of Immigration, National Academy Press, Washington, D.C. 1997, p. 35 [18] Currently there are around 35.7 million foreign-born persons in the U.S. (Passel, op.cit., p.3). With a new influx of 103 million immigrants, the total foreign-born population would reach around 124 million (adjusting for deaths in the interim.) Given the massive projected immigration, the population of the U.S. would have swollen to around 449 million by 2027. This would be up from a base projection of around 355 million. (U.S. Census Bureau, 2004, U.S. Interim Projections by Age, Sex, Race and Hispanic Origin, at http.://www.census.gov/ipc/www/usinterimproj/. The foreign born would comprise around 27 percent of the total population. |
"Why are they so against securing the border first?"
THAT, is an excellent question. It belies common sense, there is NO reason that could be legitimate.. securing the border, which secures America and it's citizens is NOT contingent upon ANYTHING other than the willingness to do so.
Apparently, the Senate and GWB are not willing. Why they are not, could be as simple as greed, I'm not sure, but for Americans it's more than just a bit disconcerting, it's a failure by our elected officials to uphold our Constitutional rights.. at least that is how I see it.
Hi, SB and antceecee. I've been busy on another thread...
hint, hint.....
Hmmmmm. I see what you mean.
Thanks for the ping.. :-) a little busy myself at the moment, will check in later.
Do you hear the *crickets*?
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