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Water powered cars right around the corner?
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Posted on 05/13/2006 7:14:51 AM PDT by Neville72

Take a look a this amazing news report on the local Fox Channel 26 in Clearwater, Florida on local inventor, Denny Klein and his water powered citting /welding torches and HHO/gas hybrid car.

Video on the technology:

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/WaterFuel.wmv

Amazing stuff at first glance. I'd love to hear some of our Freeper energy experts weigh in on the potential of this.


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KEYWORDS: energy; invention; water
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1 posted on 05/13/2006 7:14:52 AM PDT by Neville72
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To: Neville72

Hydrogen is one of the most expensive ways of powering a car. See:

http://media.popularmechanics.com/documents/Fuel_of_the_Future-e852.pdf


2 posted on 05/13/2006 7:19:55 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: Neville72

Its hard to argue with the video...impressive.


3 posted on 05/13/2006 7:21:42 AM PDT by Prysson
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To: Neville72

Mythbusters tried it last week on their show, and busted it flat. You simply cant produce enough hydrogen on board a car, to power the car. Its easy to produce hydrogen, in miniscule amounts, but enough to power a car? Nope.


4 posted on 05/13/2006 7:23:03 AM PDT by weezel
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To: Neville72

You can't create energy, and so the person who made the news story was blissfully unaware of the all consuming question that everyone would have... "where does the energy come from to 'crack' the water into H and O?"

The story would lead one to think that he's invented a way to use less energy seperating water into H and O, than is recovered when you burn the H and O back into water. Sounds like a perpetual motion machine to me.


5 posted on 05/13/2006 7:25:46 AM PDT by MarineBrat (Talk is cheap because supply exceeds demand.)
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To: Neville72

The report conveniently omits to mention how much electricity is required for the electrolysis process. What we need to know is how many BTUs in (for electrolysis) vs. how many BTUs out (when the resulting HHO gas is burned). The former must at least equal the latter (else we would have a perpetual motion machine in violation of the laws of thermodynamics). What we will find is that HHO is not a fuel, but an energy storage medium. Therefore, it will not reduce demand for conventional fuels.


6 posted on 05/13/2006 7:26:15 AM PDT by Sarastro
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To: Sarastro
Exactly. Their web site only talks about enrichment, not replacing gasoline as the fuel.
7 posted on 05/13/2006 7:28:01 AM PDT by MarkeyD (Make Love, Not Cartoons. I really, really loathe liberals.)
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To: Neville72

"Cap'n, Ah kinot git BLUUD from a RRRRRRock."


8 posted on 05/13/2006 7:30:43 AM PDT by spanalot
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To: MarineBrat

How was he heating and cutting the metal?

How was he holding the tip of the torch as it was burning?

How and why did he receive a patent on the technology and a contract from the American military to outfit a Hummer with his new technology if it is bogus?

Those are a few of the many questions this report raises.


9 posted on 05/13/2006 7:31:08 AM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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To: weezel
You simply cant produce enough hydrogen on board a car, to power the car.

I'm no expert, but that would have been my guess too. Freshman chemistry taught me that equations have to balance. On one side, we have water, on the other side, we have the same amount of water, recombined at the tailpipe after combustion. Energy is produced to move the car down the road, so how much energy (electricity) must be input in order to balance the equation?

10 posted on 05/13/2006 7:31:12 AM PDT by ZOOKER ( <== I'm with Stupid...)
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To: bnelson44
Hydrogen is one of the most expensive ways of powering a car. See:

Even if it weren't expensive, it has other problems such as the safety and size of tanks needed for vehicles. That said, however, hydrogen could be produced cheaply if we got over our taboos of nuke plants.

11 posted on 05/13/2006 7:32:49 AM PDT by umgud (so lonely, I take telemarketer calls)
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To: MarkeyD

From the web site:

The HHOS has been tested in two different vehicles (the current prototype, which is a 1994 Ford Escort Wagon, and a 1998 Ford Ranger pickup) and fuel economy increases have ranged from 22.9% to 100% depending upon the amount of electrical energy (amps & volts) that are available for the production of Aquygen™ Gas.

Looks like the details aren't as impressive as the video.


12 posted on 05/13/2006 7:33:16 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: MarineBrat

>You can't create energy, and so the person who made the news story was blissfully unaware of the all consuming question that everyone would have... "where does the energy come from to 'crack' the water into H and O?"

>The story would lead one to think that he's invented a way to use less energy seperating water into H and O, than is recovered when you burn the H and O back into water. Sounds like a perpetual motion machine to me.



...then why is Hummer building with it?


13 posted on 05/13/2006 7:33:23 AM PDT by tmp02
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...then why is Hummer building with it?

What are you talking about?


14 posted on 05/13/2006 7:34:20 AM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: weezel
MYTHBUSTERS BUMP.

OTOH, they did confirm on the same program that filtered, used cooling oil can be used directly (without having to refine/distill in a reactor) in a diesel car - looks like an older Merz. 300 Diesel was used. I wonder if that's REALLY true. If so, I could be riding around for a lot cheaper on my TDI than I am now.
15 posted on 05/13/2006 7:34:30 AM PDT by roaddog727 (eludium PU36 explosive space modulator)
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To: Neville72

http://www.freeenergynews.com/Directory/BrownsGas/WaterFuel.wmv


16 posted on 05/13/2006 7:34:40 AM PDT by RasterMaster (NO MORE "BIG TENTS" - ALL YOU GET ARE CLOWNS AND CIRCUS FREAKS!)
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To: Sarastro
What we will find is that HHO is not a fuel, but an energy storage medium. Therefore, it will not reduce demand for conventional fuels.

A battery is an energy storage medium as well. How you "charge" the battery will determine if you can reduce the demand for "conventional" fuels. If you use nuclear energy, fission today, maybe someday fusion, converted to electricity, do the charging, then you could indeed reduce the need for "conventional" fuels, such as oil or coal. Of course coal is nothing to sneeze at either. It can be converted to liquid or gaseous fuels, or burned in a central power plant. Much of the electricity generated now is from coal.

17 posted on 05/13/2006 7:35:16 AM PDT by El Gato
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To: Sarastro
The report conveniently omits to mention how much electricity is required for the electrolysis process. What we need to know is how many BTUs in (for electrolysis) vs. how many BTUs out (when the resulting HHO gas is burned

He says in the report I've linked to that his electrolyser cost 70 cents per hour to operate

http://www.tampatrib.com/MGBKD7YQIGE.html

18 posted on 05/13/2006 7:37:12 AM PDT by Neville72 (uist)
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I would have liked to see him drink the water before he put into the tank...


19 posted on 05/13/2006 7:38:29 AM PDT by tmp02
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How and why did he receive a patent on the technology and a contract from the American military to outfit a Hummer with his new technology if it is bogus?

It looks like he made a small, portable hydrogen cracker, which I think would be very valuable in the field where gasoline/diesel might be scarce. Soldiers could use this machine to crack hydrogen from water and use it to power their Hummers, and that has obvious value.

Cracking hydrogen from water is not a new science or a novel idea, but it does take a lot of energy (electricity) to do it. In fact, with today's technology, it takes more energy (electrical) to crack hydrogen from water than the energy (chemical) it produces, so it's not viable as a mass energy process. However, in situations like battlefields, under the right conditions (water and electricity is available), it's a great idea.

20 posted on 05/13/2006 7:40:09 AM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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