Just how long has this border problem been going on...?
Posted on 05/12/2006 9:18:12 AM PDT by xjcsa
Headline only so far...
These illegals wouldn't be coming across all these years if it wasn't for all the freebies they get from the States
And who's fault is that .. hmmmmm .. IIRC it was Grey Davis vetoed putting restrictions against the illegals .. and IIRC .. the Governor of AZ just vetoed the fence/illegal bill
The cities/states are the first responders .. if they don't enforce the laws .. things will get out of hand
"I don't know of any physical barrier this length that has ever been built that achieved the goal of keeping people out. If you know one, tell me."
Ever been to China?
"If I thought writing a check for $7 billion dollars would prevent illegal immigration, I'd say do it now."
Let us know when you move out of VA into CA,TX,NM or AZ and then you can tell us all about what illegals are costing and how much YOU would be willing to pay to keep them out. Until then, you don't have a dog in this fight!
Some states have be too accommodating to illegals - that is certainly true. However, the states have their hands tied in a lot of areas. Providing education and emergency care are two prime examples.
Are you worried about Yellowstone erupting?
IIRC there are some cities .. like in Denver, the police officers cannot arrest illegals for being an illegal .. they have to commit another crime before they can be arrested
I suppose that is Bush's fault too
Just how long has this border problem been going on...?
Hey I'm not the one looking for a "security blankie".
Actually, a fence does not work 24 hours a day because an unpatrolled fence will be dug under, climbed over, broken through, etc. It might help but I suspect being caught and arrested or sent back by a human, is the surest deterrent.
The statistics are for FEDERAL enforcement of the immigration laws and do not include any state or city enforcement. Try again.
I don't care if he actually puts troops on the border in a dug-in position. I'll will support that, of course, but it certainly would not make me warm up to his legislative proposal.
I am beyond following W.'s leadership whatsoever on this issue. If part of his proposal strikes me as good, I will support that part of it.
But it is strictly SECURE THE BORDERS ~FIRST~. Until that is done, I will not listen to anything else. And I mean seal it with a permanent barrier.
And sealing the border must be accompanied with furious law enforcement to prevent millions more trying to catch the last bus before the border closes.
After security, then we can talk about illegals already here. And that sure as heck does not mean that I am willing to accept everyone who is already here and, especially, not to offer them the chance to bring every relative they can find to join them.
I think that is the easiest and also the method most vulnerable to manipulation. Stationing some troops in a remote area where illegals don't even go sounds good but won't do anything to secure the border.
Building the wall is something tangible and immune to manipulation.
Are you worried about Yellowstone erupting?
I have to admit,that was a strange thing to say. We need a Berlin Wall to keep people from escaping our totalitarian state?
Well, that's a good start and it sure beats what we are doing now. But if I was President Bush I would couple that announcement with one that we will be created a parameter on the border to prevent illegals from being able to gain entry into the country.
The feds can't take control of states .. the Feds can only do so much
It might help of the local/cities/states helped too
I don't think that is true. Making people convicted of crimes perform work as punishment happens all the time. True there aren't too many chain gangs any more, but those that have been struck down have done so because of the treatment of the prisoners while working, not the fact that they had to work. Perhaps you were referring to the 13th Amendment which is pretty clear on the issue:
Section 1. Neither slavery nor involuntary servitude, except as a punishment for crime whereof the party shall have been duly convicted, shall exist within the United States, or any place subject to their jurisdiction.
But I agree with you, that the minute a plan like this were to go into effect there would be a gaggle of lawsuits filed by every civil rights organization in the country. It wouldn't last a day before being struck down.
I agree. But that doesn't excuse, in any way, the huge drop in immigration law enforcement under this administration
anything this president and congress does, the American taxpayer is considered LAST. when are we gonna get sick enough of this crap and DO SOMETHING ??? we need to make these jerks responsive to AMERICANS while we still have a country
When will you come down from on high and enlighten us as to how illegal aliens are a net gain to the U.S. economy, when they earn so little and cost us so much? Please condescend to give us the data.
It's a physical barrier that must be defeated. The deterent value is where it really pays dividends.
Now, the success rate of a Mexican wanting to illegally enter the US is most likely in the high 90s. For this high of a success rate, Mexicans are willing to spend their entire life savings and the health of their family to make the journey.
With a physical wall, the success rate would be 10% at best and that is being generous. With the odds so stacked against them, how many are going to take such a risk?
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