Posted on 05/11/2006 4:34:24 AM PDT by Tolik
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A lose Lose proposition for America and all Americans and the evil enemy is our southern neighbor. Or as one TV show coined it, the neighbor from h*ll.
Many of those ex-peons, now free men will go back to Mexico with higher expectations, and even those who do not -- there family and companions of youth who stay in Mexico will also have expecattions raised. The elite in Mexico have set themselves up the bomb -- their days are past, the reconquista has a most definite target, that is the real, practical reconquista. That target is the ten families, the elite, the union jefes in their high towers.
One of the few sensible things I have read about the immigration debate, because it identifies the real problem: Mexico. We are never going to deal with the problem as long as we address only the symptom (people streaming across the border seeking work) and not the problem (a dysfunctional neighbor country that offloads its population).
I have never understood why we don't penalize Mexico, either through trade or from some of the foreign aid we no doubt give it, for the cost to our border states of supplying health care, etc. Furthermore, Mexico is very resistant about repatriating its people when they are caught, and obviously there is massive corruption along the border that lets the coyotes come and go freely - but nothing ever happens to Mexico as a result. Why not penalize Mexico until it starts cooperating?
This would also do a lot to support the rule of law in Mexico, which is fast in danger of becoming a lawless territory.
There is another aspect and that is fecundity. Though w may have 11 million illegals here, there are four times that number waiting in Mexico. Send them just enough money to stay alive and what do you get?...babies that turn into lots more poor Mexicans.
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A country that attacks its friends will wind up with none. I continue to be amazed how little value some "smart" people place on a peaceable border and a country that is our largest trading partner...trade that employs legitimately millions on both sides. Sure there are problems but to characterize as "invasion" "enenmy" and all that is over the top and counter productive. The problem with illegal immigration has been going on for nearly a hundred years...we need the labor..they come..if we didn't demand it they wouldnt come.
Now the respected Mr. Hanson comes up with theory that remmitances...hurt Mexico.... For goodness sakes these remmitances are supporting childern, families..he makes it sound like they are on the dole..like its some kind of welfare program. Worse he says because the laborer sacrafice we here have to "pick up the tab" this is making us the victim of the sweat and scarafice of poor workers trying to make do for their family.
Glib facts like "Mexico should reform"...are just that ..Mexico is a capitalist country, protects property rights and has now a booming ecnomny...its a poor country making enormous progress...
The enemny is are avowed enemies..islamofacists....not poor mexicans that want to wash dishes, pick fruit and clean toilets.
Mexico is a racist Narco-Kleptocracy, with a few thousand very wealthy people and a hundred million living in abject poverty.
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Mexico is a racist Narco-Kleptocracy, with a few thousand very wealthy people and a hundred million living in abject poverty.
"racist" we should talk... "narco-kleptocracy" impossible to discuss the failed war on drugs without acknowledging US demand and US policy that prompts corruption.
as the the disapairity in income...is writing suggesting some kind of Cuba style government in mexico to redistribute wealth?
The flip side to that argument is that the people with the most desire and incentive to change Mexico from within are now in the U.S. That, to me, is the best argument for building a 3000 mile wall. It is a complicated mess, I will agree.
"The enemny is are avowed enemies..islamofacists....not poor mexicans that want to wash dishes, pick fruit and clean toilets"
You forgot to mention stealing our wellfare, stealing our medical benefits, driving our cost of education through the roof.
These people are stealing from us to support their countrymen, they are very much the enemy, regardless of your good-hearted intentions.
And the US's... :-(
Evidently not OUR property rights.
In all seriousness, a booming economy? That's why Mexican physicians come to the US? (And they do. I've met them, cleaning toilets.)
Can you explain the difference between the way Mexico treats illegal immigrants from Guatemala and the way they want us to treat illegal immigrants from Mexico? Don't Guatemalans do jobs Mexicans don't want to do or what?
"Mexico is a capitalist country, protects property rights"
NOT!
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The problem with your post is that you are looking at this issue as if we're dealing with two different countries. The reality is that we're only dealing with a single entity that includes the United States, Canada, and Mexico. The Canada serves as a source of natural resources for the U.S., and Mexico is a source of cheap labor.
One of the greatest ironies of the debate over this issue is that it is usually framed in terms of the burden these illegal immigrants place on public services (schools, hospitals, welfare, etc.) that really have no place in a free, independent country anyway!
You ever been to Mexico?
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