Posted on 05/06/2006 1:34:58 AM PDT by wotan
WASHINGTON - Angry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre.
Six months out, the intensity of opposition to Bush and Congress has risen sharply, along with the percentage of Americans who believe the nation is on the wrong track.
The AP-Ipsos poll also suggests that Democratic voters are far more motivated than Republicans. Elections in the middle of a president’s term traditionally favor the party whose core supporters are the most energized.
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Guess they haven't checked their stock portfolios or US security lately...perhaps in Nov...let's hope.
Just who is the 'far right' in your opinion?
Also, I would invite you to search the archives here to see how many pleaded with conservatives to vote for him so that he'd win even when we knew that he wasn't 'one of us'. I'd invite you to see how many here 'promised' us that he'd be conservative.
To a large degree, we voted against the Dems rather than for Bush because of how bad the Dems were. None of that means that we have to be pleased with him. None of that means that we have to vote for more of the same.
You are right that we can only prevent someone from being elected rather than elect a conservative, but Republicans also cannot elect one without our help. Many on your side take to calling us names and discounting our worth to the GOP. For that, I'd recommend a lot of reading by a fellow named Dale Carnegie.
Don't be an idiot. Not voting for a RINO does not mean that we'll be voting for Democrats.
With all due respect, that sort of comment is not called for.
You may have changed parties, but you still have a long way to go before being a conservative.
Good intentions and saving money don't make something constitutional and constitutionality alone is (or should be) the deciding factor on whether something is enacted by government.
Indeed!
Every 10-12 years, the RNC has to do some house cleaning. Bush's term is over in "08 and the party will be forced to abandon it's extreme right wing to move to the center where the general electorate is. Also, it will be in response to the DNC move to the center as well. It will be quite a battle for supremacy, and nobody that belongs to this so called true conservative wing of the party will be happy with the candidates that emerge from the primary fights.
The candidates will both be centrists, and both the extreme left wing and the right wing of each party will be alienated. There will be a mad scramble on both sides for third parties, and the winner will be chosen as a result of who is split worse, and who has more apathetic voters stay home.
I can't, at this time predict who that will be. It depends on how many blue dog Democrats we pick up and how many of their liberal lefties stay home or vote Green.
We are certain to suffer some severe loss in seats, but we may be able to hold on to the reigns.
One thing is clear. The Republican party will not look like it does today. We cannot win elections with a somewhat large segment that is at war with the rest of the party. We cut Buchanan loose during the last upheaval, and I would think that this cut will be much larger and deeper, based on the rhetoric coming from right wing congress critters.
The RNC needs to stop pussy footing and start playing hardball, or we will lose. We need to look this in the eye and take it to it's ultimate conclusion now, before it is too late to rebuild the base for the '08 general elections..
if we don't, it will be 2012 before we see power again.
You're delusional, or politically suicidal.
Coming from you, that is a compliment!
I'm done with "throwing my vote away" by voting down the party line. It's clear to me now that strategy is the wide road that all may take to appease their cowardice. My conscience will remain clear and if we fail as a society then I lay the blame on every spineless jerk who was afraid to take a stand. I'd rather live in a cess pool of socialism knowing that I fought hard to prevent it than to wake up one day and realize I have slowly accepted it by voting for the lesser socialist.
It's RINOs like you, who want to drive conservatives out of the conservative party, who have led the GOP to a precipice.
And now, of course, since RINOs always draw the exact wrong conclusions from any event, you'll, as usual, blame conservatives for your stupidity.
Hey, Jim. While there have certainly been a fair share of folks in a ditch as far as calling for the destruction of the GOP, the impeachment of the President, etc., the post I'm referencing here is the ditch on the other side of the road.
Or more accurately, it is comments like this that are driving conservatives away from the GOP and alienating the base of our party.
And as long as RINOs like this have free play, no one, and I mean no one, is going to be able to hold the GOP coalition together.
Are you saying that conservatives that voted against algore (and later, Kerry) should have gone elsewhere?
The choice was clearly for (what was thought to be) the lesser of the evils.
The original comment I made on this thread was a reference to "biting one's nose off to spite one's face" --- an expression that is in the common vernacular. In context it is not meaningless phraseology.
TXBSAFH then responded with reference to not "being without a spine." Again an expression that is common, and from the context I understood perfectly well what he meant. My comment, which you seem to think is meaningless, was simply a response to TXBSAFH's phrase. I managed to have a reasonable and generally civil exchange with him about what I see as common goals but different methods at reaching those goals.
Having a civil exchange of opinion does not seem to suit everyone's agenda here.
If you thought my reply was uncivilized then maybe you do need to "grow a spine".
RUN! RUN! THE DEMOCRATS ARE COMING TO EAT YOUR CHILDREN!
And you'd better be careful because their RINO friends have been boiling the water and preheating the oven for them for quite some time.
Fearmongering won't get you as many votes this time around.
Your constant use of the perjorative 'far right' outs you for what you are -- a RINO and an apologist for Senor Jorge.
You crave power. We want to advance our principles. We can and will survive without the GOP being in power. You can't. And by your own admission, you will sell out principle to join with Democrats to hold power.
You're a sorry POS.
It certainly doesn't help to expand the programs by extending them to recent immigrants who hadn't paid into SS or by starting the greedy geezer drup plan.
Re. education, every teacher's union in the world hate's the President's guts, so he must have done something right.
If Bush promised them all a 100% raise, they'd still hate him. If he promised to allow (or force) abortions on all but one woman a year, the pro aborts would still claim that he was against 'choice for women'. You can't determine the value of his programs from the wrath incurred by the left. Most of the time, it's not that he didn't do what they want, but didn't do enough of it sooner.
Re. the criminal alien invasion, I would much rather that he had thrown a few billion at building a wall, than the current course of action.
It's good to see that you won't even try to defend him here.
Bush is portrayed by the media and the left as "far right", despite the fact he is moderate. If a more conservative candidate ran for president, could he be portrayed as any more of an extremist than Bush has? My point is that degree of conservatism is irrelevant to carrying the moderate vote when the media and the left portray anyone to the right of center as an extremist.
You nailed the Santorum situation to a "T".
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