[Badray]

Your constant use of the perjorative 'far right' outs you for what you are -- a RINO and an apologist for Senor Jorge.

You crave power. We want to advance our principles. We can and will survive without the GOP being in power. You can't. And by your own admission, you will sell out principle to join with Democrats to hold power.

You're a sorry POS.

[tanknetter]

You crave power. We want to advance our principles. We can and will survive without the GOP being in power.

The issue with this is that in order to really advance principles past the theoretical level, a movement needs to have power.

Can the Conservative movement "survive" without the GOP being in power? Sure ... but can it succeed?

Allow me to give you two things to make my point in this regard more clear: "Chief Justice Roberts" and "Associate Justice Alito".

Do Conservatives really think that they can succeed without Conservatives in the Judiciary and on the Supreme Court?

Do Conservatives really think that, should the GOP lose the House (and possibly the Senate) this cycle and Associate Justice Stevens and/or Ginsburg retires/dies before 2008 that President Bush will able to successfully put justices like Roberts and Alito on the court.

Here's my own personal experience with my fellow Conservatives who place everything on "principle" without understanding how "power" factors into success. In 1992 I watched in horror as other "principled" Conservatives abandoned a decent, if moderate, Republican President for Pat Buchanan ... setting up a situation (serious primary challenge) that past elections indicated would be a fatal blow.

President Bush had a 50/50 track record on SCOTUS appointments (Liberal Souter, and solidly Conservative Thomas) ... which I'd point out was a better ratio than Reagan (2/1 with "Moderate" Kennedy and O'Connor, and solidly Conservative Scalia). We can make all sorts of speculative assumptions as to what Justices a Bush41 2nd term would have produced ... but I think it's safe to conclude that the results wouldn't have been Justice Ginsburg and Justice Breyer ...

As a Conservative, I'm actually ok with a "moderate" Republican as President ... so long as the Judicial appointments are Conservative (and from the looks of this Bush43 has a better record than both his Dad AND Reagan). Because when it comes right down to it, for the last 40 years the Judiciary is the real venue that ensures whether a social movement succeeds ... or fails.

[sinkspur]

You're a sorry POS.

I believe you were speaking earlier about how much you are needed by the rest of the GOP.

If this is your manner of carrying on a conversation, not only do we not need you in the GOP, you really aren't needed on this board.

[Ben Ficklin]

You accuse me of using the perjorative, yet in the same breath, you use the two most common perjoratives that the conservative extremists use, RINO and BushBot(apologist for Senor Jorge). You can dish it out, but you can't take it.

As I previously said, moderates have no objection with compromising, but we are reasonably certain that you won't be interested in that. If you don't get what you want, you'll stay home or vote third party.