Interesting perspective. Of course, let me be the first to point out it's one man's opinion, and certainly not canonical.
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To: PatrickHenry; CarolinaGuitarman; Coyoteman
ping (it is News, not Religion at the moment)
55 posted on
05/05/2006 10:18:14 AM PDT by
freedumb2003
(Don't call them "undocumented workers." Use the correct term: CRIMINAL INVADERS!)
To: Right Wing Professor
Creationism dismissed as 'a kind of paganism' by Vatican's astronomerSweet.
To: Right Wing Professor
The "Vatican Astronomer". I had no idea they had such a position available. Is there an opening for a "Vatican Petroleum Engineer", maybe a "Vatican Geologist"?
Although not a Catholic, (obviously doctrinal purity is not a job requirement for these non-theological jobs), I would like to propose myself as the official "Vatican NFL Anaiyst", and I'll work for the NFL rookie minimum.
On second thought, maybe the Vatican just ought to stick to its "core" business.
To: Right Wing Professor
BELIEVING that God created the universe in six days is a form of superstitious paganism, the Vatican astronomer Guy Consolmagno claimed yesterday.
Brother Consolmagno, who works in a Vatican observatory in Arizona
and as curator of the Vatican meteorite collection in Italy, said a "destructive myth"
had developed in modern society that religion and science were competing ideologies.
I guess if Guy Consolmagno keeps his job as the Vatican astronomer,
then he is speaking for the Corporation, the Vatican.
b'shem Y'shua
64 posted on
05/05/2006 10:55:23 AM PDT by
Uri’el-2012
(Hosea 6:6 For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings)
To: Right Wing Professor
Fascinating view ... My Christian friend has a similar view, that the whole idea of religion and science being separate realms is wrong for both. Interestingly, that friend is also a creationist.
I too agree with it. Faith is informed by reason, and reason alone cannot understand the world without getting bootstrapped by faith....
74 posted on
05/05/2006 11:17:58 AM PDT by
WOSG
(Faith & Reason)
To: Right Wing Professor; dangus; NYer; Aquinasfan
Catholic ping for you two (dangus and NYer).
If the guys is quoted correctly, and he really believes that creation ex nihilo (I hope I didn't misspell that) is paganism, then he is by definition an apostate. Augustine and Aquinas had very good explanations of that.
Not meaning to start a fight here, but something about this story stinks.
77 posted on
05/05/2006 11:22:52 AM PDT by
redgolum
("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
To: Right Wing Professor
"BELIEVING that God created the universe in six days is a form of superstitious paganism, the Vatican astronomer Guy Consolmagno claimed yesterday."
What an interesting statement that appears to be endorsed by the Vatican...
To: Right Wing Professor
I have seen this guy give a lecture. Something about his theology is out of wack. I'm not say the earth was created 6,000 years ago but, he does not seem to really believe in Jesus and God. He hims and haws about it.
79 posted on
05/05/2006 11:23:51 AM PDT by
therut
To: Right Wing Professor
BELIEVING that God created the universe in six days is a form of superstitious paganism, the Vatican astronomer Guy Consolmagno claimed yesterday. We don't need no stinkin' astronomer to tell us what all reasonable people already know.
87 posted on
05/05/2006 11:33:02 AM PDT by
shuckmaster
(An oak tree is an acorns way of making more acorns)
To: Right Wing Professor
He described creationism, whose supporters want it taught in schools alongside evolution, as a "kind of paganism" because it harked back to the days of "nature gods" who were responsible for natural events. Brother Consolmagno argued that the Christian God was a supernatural one, a belief that had led the clergy in the past to become involved in science to seek natural reasons for phenomena such as thunder and lightning, which had been previously attributed to vengeful gods.
[snip]
"Religion needs science to keep it away from superstition and keep it close to reality, to protect it from creationism, which at the end of the day is a kind of paganism - it's turning God into a nature god..."
This is possibly one of the most convolutedly retarded statements I have ever read.
"In the beginning, God created..." is NOT a tenet of paganism (but it IS the central theme of creationism).
And thunder and lightning? Chickenfeed compared to the flood, and falling frogs and swarming locusts. (Tho', occasionally when I've said something particularly unChristian-like, I have looked upwards in fear of a recompensatory bolt.)
= )
93 posted on
05/05/2006 11:50:07 AM PDT by
AnnaZ
(Victory at all costs-in spite of all terror-however long and hard the road may be-for survival)
To: Right Wing Professor
Wheres my picture of Jesus riding the brontosaurus?
106 posted on
05/05/2006 12:37:27 PM PDT by
LongsforReagan
(Whackydoodles believe men and dinosaurs walked together. The world laughs at them.)
To: Right Wing Professor
oh, my... we might need some beer and popcorn.
135 posted on
05/05/2006 1:41:10 PM PDT by
King Prout
(many complain I am overly literal... this would not be a problem if fewer people were under-precise)
To: Dataman
142 posted on
05/05/2006 1:47:55 PM PDT by
BibChr
("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
To: Right Wing Professor
Interesting perspective. Of course, let me be the first to point out it's one man's opinion, and certainly not canonical. That's more charitable than I had come to expect of you...
Cheers!
175 posted on
05/05/2006 7:01:18 PM PDT by
grey_whiskers
(The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
To: Right Wing Professor
Jesus believed the Creation account of Genesis.
Good enough for me.
192 posted on
05/06/2006 1:49:28 AM PDT by
XR7
To: Right Wing Professor
>>Brother Consolmagno, who works in a Vatican observatory in Arizona and as curator of the Vatican meteorite collection in Italy<<
The last this guy came up didn't someone say he wasn't authorized to state church position and things he said we just his opinions?
208 posted on
05/07/2006 4:02:53 AM PDT by
gondramB
(He who angers you, in part, controls you. But he may not enjoy what the rest of you does about it.)
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