Posted on 04/30/2006 7:41:33 PM PDT by Crackingham
Sen. George Allen, who has tried to reach out to minority voters in recent years, wore a Confederate flag pin on his shirt collar in a high-school yearbook photo, a national magazine reported yesterday. As a high school student in Palos Verdes, Calif., Allen was seen riding in or driving a Ford Mustang with either a Confederate flag license plate or Confederate flag imagery on the car, The New Republic quoted witnesses as saying.
The Virginia Republican, seeking re-election now and weighing a presidential bid in 2008, was to depart today to co-host a civil-rights history tour for members of Congress to Southside Virginia. The topic is to be progress toward racial reconciliation. Allen staff confirmed that the pin in his yearbook picture depicted a Confederate flag. An Allen aide told the magazine the senator didn't remember a Confederate flag on his Mustang but that it was possible.
As a high school student in California, "I generally bucked authority and the rebel flag was just a way to express that attitude," Allen said in a written statement to the magazine. "Life is a learning experience and I have learned quite a bit in the ensuing 36 years."
He went on to discuss his belief in equal opportunity, his learning from participating in a civil-rights history tour to Alabama several years ago and his proposed Senate legislation to aid minority colleges.
Harris Miller, one of two Democrats seeking the nomination to run against Allen, said yesterday that he found Allen's explanation "pretty disingenuous" considering that while he held state office, he had "a troubling record on minority issues."
Miller cited Allen's issuance while governor of a "highly divisive" Confederate history and heritage month proclamation and his vote, while a member of the House of Delegates, against a Martin Luther King Jr. holiday.
"We need leaders who will celebrate all that we have in common rather than things that divide us," Miller said.
But, he was for the 'Assault Weapons Ban" before he was against it.
Is that statement inaccurate?
Quite a few designs were submitted by various people. On 9 Feb 1861 William Porcher Miles was appointed head of the 'Committee on the Flag and Seal' by the provisional Congress. On 27 Aug 1861 Miles re-submitted his twice rejected proposal (originally submitted in February). Col. James P. Wilson of Louisiana submitted an almost identical design different only in that he advocated a Latin cross (St. George's) instead of Miles' St. Andrew's cross. Beauregard preferred the Miles' design. The committee then selected Miles' proposal as the official design.
I'm sure it's completely accurate on your planet.
Typical nonresponse.
You know why I haven't responded to this, the very idea is so patently absurd in it's premise that it isn't worth my time to debate it.
However if you wish to prove that Blacks were members of The Klu Klux Klan, knock yourself out.
Well one more politician to write off. Probably wouldn't have voted for the Republican Presidential candidate anyway, but if he got the nod, I definitely would not. You dishonor my heritage and the brave men,including many of my ancestors, who fought against tyranny you lose my respect and my vote
The devil's, and the UNION had them all!
If you take one flag and reverse the colors to create another flag, are you not corrupting the intent of the original design for your own purposes?
The 1st US flag (the Continental Colors) was almost an exact copy of the British Red Ensign, with the British red background changed to red/white striped. Did the founders corrupt the intent, were they evil?
W. P. Miles did not take an existing flag and reverse the colors. He certainly did not take the Scottish flag and pervert it - he was a amatuer vexillologist who chose a 'saltire' for it's religious connotation with CHRISTIANITY and a heraldic symbol of STRENGTH, and it's blue color symbolized TRUTH. Miles chose to place the blue saltire on a red background to symbolize COURAGE and the blood that was shed, the white border of the saltire to represent PURITY, the white stars for the sovereignty of God and the states.
Again, Miles said of it, '[t]he flag should be a token of humble acknowledgement of God and be a public testimony to the world that our trust is in the Lord our God.'
"archy" did NOT say that the immediate post-war klan had Black MEMBERS, but rather that they ASSISTED their former comrades-in-arms, including those CSA veterans who WERE Black! (BIG DIIFERENCE in those 2 concepts!)
are you REALLY that clueLESS & DIMwitted OR do you hope your readers are so intellectually naive, bovine & dense as to believe your drivel & nonsense?????
free dixie,sw
I'm sure the Klan assisted Blacks confederates pick bananas off of oak trees with a rope and a gun, right?
Only there were a terrible series of horrible "accidents" in the process.
don't you wish you hadn't "opened this can of worms", as it makes you look IGNORANT of WELL-documented, incontrovertible, FACTS????
as i've said numerous times of you (and of the lunatics of the "DAMNyankee coven" on FR), "you know NOT & know NOT, that you know NOT".
cobra, you REALLY should go do some reading, from REPUTABLE source documents, about the war & stop reading the secondhand LIES, propaganda & evasive drivel out of northeastern, REVISIONIST, LEFTIST academia. you'd look smarter, thereby.
free dixie,sw
OR are you just an ignorant HATER & ANTI-southern BIGOT like "m.eSPINola" & "justshutupandtakeit", both of whom either fear or discount the TRUTH???
frankly, you are becoming the same sort of laughingstock among KNOWLEDGEABLE FReepers, as those "pitiful fellows".
ALL i see you doing is making clueLESS, IGNORANT, SELF-righteous & ,i fear, KNOWINGLY deceitful statements (which do you NO honor).
free dixie,sw
GEN Forrest's comments are WELL-KNOWN to scholars & even most amateur historians of the period.
THAT quote(i think) even you can find "on the web" or in most any of the books on Forrest. (at most any decent sized public library).
free dixie,sw
As usual, Wartie gets it wrong. Forrest did indeed praise the blacks who were part of his unit, but he never said they were "magnificent fighters," What he said, and what is often quoted in discussions of black confederates, is "Those fellows never left me...and better Confederates did not live."
Now note the ellipses there. It's very interesting that the vast majority of times that line is quoted, those ellipses are there. But what was left out? It turns out, upon some deeper digging, that what he said, in full, was "These fellows never left me, drove my teams, and better confederates never lived." So there it is. No magnificent fighters. No black cavalrymen riding alongside Forrest and shooting it out with the yankees. Just more teamsters and another Watie lie exposed.
So then, it is not my original post in #140 that you dispute as inaccurate, nor my statement that: ...and which included black Confederate veterans such as Forrest's wartime drovers and teamsters...?
As for how many were *just* Teamsters [I'm betting you wouldn't denigrate that trade to one of Jimmy Hoffa's lads face-to-face] I'd expect that they were indeed armed and likely rarely used arms; a wise commander does not engage the enemy with his supply train. But at least eight of Forrest's former slaves were among his personal and very armed escort, and those worthies almost certainly engaged in combat alongside the man who had 29 horses shot out from under him.
When the war started, Forrest asked 45 of his slaves (which he considered as servants) to join him, offering them their freedom after the war, no matter how it turned out. They all joined him and although they had numerous opportunities to desert him, 44 stayed by his side until the end of the war. In fact, part of his special command escort later called "the green berets" (ironic isn't it), consisted of the most elite and best soldiers available, and among them were eight black men.
--Dr. Gene Ladnier, author "Fame's Eternal Camping Ground
You are correct. I do not dispute anything that you say in #140. I've never been one of the "Forrest started the Klan" guys, and Forrest's postwar record--apart from his unfortunate, but brief connection with the KKK--is basically admirable.
What I did dispute was Watie's spurious quote. In researching the actual quote which Watie was trying to remember (and fabricating when he couldn't), I found that the ellipsed version outnumbers the full version by a huge margin, something I find telling.
Just so you know, I can quote and link to the speeches and writings of Nathan Beford Forrest better then you ever will.
I just don't have to prove me wrong.
free dixie,sw
So you would have us believe that this unit adopted an obscure Basque peasant wool cap as it's symbol 20 years before the first recorded use by the French military? And it just happened to be dyed green? Just how gullible do you think we all are?
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