So Cal Walkout Pics (Dubya's Future GOP)

Los Angeles Newspaper Group newspapers ^ | 3-28-06 | Myself

[StoneColdGOP]

Joseph Sanchez, Long Beach resident brought out his son, Joseph Sanchez Jr., 4, to protest the HR3447 bill. (Tracey Roman / for the Press-Telegram)

A protester holds up a sign that reads "Revolution is the solution" in spanish. (Tracey Roman / for the Press-Telegram)

School officials keep an eye on marching students as hundreds showed up to Montebello High School and urged those students to leave the school and protest against proposition HR 4437 on March 27, 2006, at the Montebello school. The Mexican flag was raised at the school by the protesting students, shown in the background. Students walked from El Rancho High School in Pico Rivera to Pioneer High School in Whittier, then on to Whittier High School, to Montebello High School and then to downtown Los Angeles. (Raul Roa/Staff photo)

Students protesting wave the Mexican flag as the crowd gathers at Cesar Chavez Park in Long Beach. (Tracey Roman / for the Press-Telegram)

Whittier area students from Pioneer, California and Whittier high schools walked out of classes to protest the proposed federal immigration bill March 27, 2006. The protestors put up the Mexican flag over the American flag flying upsidedown at Montebello High. (Leo Jarzomb/Staff photo)

Students from Marshall High School, Blair High, and Pasadena High School and Muir High School walked to the Pasadena Unified School District Headquarters in protest to denounce a federal legislative proposal that would criminalize illegal immigration and require building a 700-mile wall along the U.S.-Mexico border. (Walt Mancini/Staff photo)

Students holding the flag of Mexico, after the flag of Mexico was put on the flagpole, replacing the American flag and California Republic flag. Pasadena police chief Bernard Melekian with Pasadena police officer Mike Korpal place the flag of California Republic and the American flag to the flagpole at its proper height at Pasadena Unified School District headquarters. (Walt Mancini/Staff photo)

Area high school students raise the Mexican flag at the Montebello High School flag pole as they marched to the school to urge those students to also walk and protest against proposition HR 4437 on March 27, 2006, at the Montebello school. Students walked from El Rancho High School in Pico Rivera to Pioneer High School in Whittier, then on to Whittier High School, to Montebello High School and then to downtown Los Angeles. (Raul Roa/Staff photo)

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[kingu]

But of course you are. You used it to describe anyone who violates border laws. Now, is the turtle smuggler an invader?

You must be confusing me with someone else, since FreeRepublic provides a very easy method of checking prior posts, I know I haven't used the word. But fine, they're invaders.

in·vade Pronunciation Key (n-vd)
v. in·vad·ed, in·vad·ing, in·vades
v. tr.

1. To enter by force in order to conquer or pillage.
2. To encroach or intrude on; violate: “The principal of the trusts could not be invaded without trustee approval” (Barbara Goldsmith).
3. To overrun as if by invading; infest: “About 1917 the shipworm invaded the harbor of San Francisco” (Rachel Carson).
4. To enter and permeate, especially harmfully.

So, yes, they're invaders.

Let's step back to your strawman argument that someone broke into my company and performed work for a cheaper cost. Where is this cheaper cost? My lettuce isn't cheaper because of illegal labor - my lettuce typically comes from Brazil. An illegal laborer doesn't change the price at all, except perhaps cheaper for the producer.

But where's the reduced cost? My sales taxes are the highest they've ever been, I pay more in property taxes as a percentage of my home value than ever before, I pay more in utility taxes than ever before. My income taxes are a higher percentage of my income. And overall, I pay more taxes for everything I purchase. Where did the gain go?

And what does this nation gain from the five billion in cash sent out of the country? That's not a trade deficit, that's flight of assets. Nothing comes in return; we get nothing out of it. Not even additional trash, aside from a discarded receipt.

My daughter won't be able to get any standard 'starting' job that one would normally expect a high school student to occupy - those positions are either occupied by illegals or their descendent's. Her costs for going to college are higher than ever; what happened to this big economic gain? Shouldn't these costs now be lower? Visiting a hospital without insurance is a bankrupting proposition (or would be, were it not for making such bankruptcies illegal).. Where's this economic benefit of these twelve million visitors? Shouldn't all costs be lowered?

Yes you have property rights, just as you have the right to drive a car without someone endangering your life by breaking traffic laws. But if one does violate those rights that makes him a criminal and not an invader.

If I drive my car at speed across the border with Mexico, I will be shot. Is it because I'm endangering them with my car, or failing to yield to their sovereign rights in inspecting cars as they cross the border? If I decide tomorrow to go move down to Mexico City and seek employment, what will happen to me? Right, I'll be arrested and placed in jail for violating their employment and immigration laws. But dare someone suggest that such equal treatment be offered to their citizens here, well, that just is something coming from a racist.

So tell us, oh wise person, what are we getting from this? What benefit comes from all of these invaders? Explain why I should desire to make their lives any more comfortable and not seek to have employers punished, and the illegals themselves deported from my country?

[heleny]

... hundreds showed up to Montebello High School and urged those students to leave the school and protest against proposition HR 4437 on March 27, 2006....(Raul Roa/Staff photo)

What's the Spanish-speaking people's problem with not learning about US and state government procedures? I saw nearly identical wording, "Proposicion HR 4437" on a sign in a picture yesterday, and I guess the caption writers simply copied what they saw in a different picture. Don't they ever learn that House resolutions and other Congressional bills are different from state ballot propositions?

[skeeter]

I'll stick to LOGIC and COMMON SENCE myself.

And of course whatever they taught you in your ESL class.

[EverOnward]

"The only rational answer that keeps the US the US is to assimilate these folks. And they will *not* assimilate unless we can persuade them to *want* to assimilate. Confrontation won't do that."

You really think it's rationale to believe these people want to be "assimilated" -- hello there -- reality check -- notice the flags their waving? Notice the signs they're carrying? Thanks to our president and congress, we've been invaded by people who don't want to be "assimilated." And you're going to "persuade them" how? Like the president, you put the blame on law-abiding Americans AND yes I am willing to WORK (and work two jobs, thank you). Stop insulting law-abiding, hard-working Americans by trying to make them the problem. If that's the Republican logic, I want no part of it.

[bobwilgo]

Nevertheless, if some idiot shoots someone in the next few days, this discussion will be over. And we will have lost."



Move to Mexico,Narby.Your safer there and you won't have to pay high school taxes(if you own property here)nor high medical bills because of illegals,and numerous other welfare programs.I am done with you,Are you sure you weren't in that demonstration rally?

[UNflagburner]

I see more YOUNG people of latino descent driving around in Cadillac Escalades.

You mean gangsters, just as you could find them in other nonimmigrant neighborhoods? How does that disprove my point that a poor person is more likely to turn to crime.

[bobwilgo]

who has secretly despised conservatives like me and my values all along while using the liberal boogey man to push his Country Club Republican Candidates and 'moderate' values on me time after time, is just as much my enemy.



Oh so true you are,Skeeter

[Jack Black]

No friend they will never take any part of the US. We havent seen an insurrection yet. When it happens they will understand what the US went through during the civil war and what the military is authorized to do to stop it. Like I said earlier it will be brutal,swift, and bloody but the territorial integrity of the US will remain.

Hey, we haven't stopped insurrection in Falluja or Bhagdad. Somehow I don't think that LA will be any easier. It's bigger, for one thing. Much, much bigger.

[Mojave]

Some of the leftists on the Los Angeles Police Commission. The officers were accused of violating "Special Order 40", which protects illegal aliens from being reported to the INS by police.

[Brad’s Gramma]

Nope. Unless they're very well dressed ganstas.

[La Enchiladita]

Argh, I didn't know Special Order 40 went back that far.

[Mojave]

I'm all for doing it legally. But you'll have the same problems with the strain on the infrastructure, schools and crime if you do.

Limited numbers, screening for criminals and welfare parasites. Equating our legal immigrants with these lowlifes is bovine scat.

[EverOnward]

I'm assuming you're a Latino and Catholic? Maybe you can explain why the Catholic Church is in favor of breaking U.S. law.

[Rick Deckard]

"I'm all for doing it legally. But you'll have the same problems with the strain on the infrastructure, schools and crime if you do.

Do you honestly believe that? I really doubt if we would have legally let all 12,000,000 people come into the country in the first place.

[usmcobra]

We really haven't used all tools we have to stop insurrection either.

LA without water, food, gas, or electricity wouldn't last a week before all the illegals would make a run for the border.

[Junior_G]

Out of the woodwork come these morons who say that it's OUR fault that the illegal immigrants won't assimilate. I don't know where these talking points come from, but they're pathetic.

[Nik Naym]

OK. I have seen enough.

This is nothing less than an invasion.

Time to start the round ups, throw their asses back across the border, and put up a freakin wall to keep them out. And I am not kidding in the least.

Nik

[CowboyJay]

"How does that disprove my point that a poor person is more likely to turn to crime."

Poor people are just more likely to be caught. Criminal intent, motive, and action have psychological roots not closely tied to financial status. A poor criminal might shoplift. A rich criminal might pad their expense account.

[Beagle8U]

Its a fact, the Rats planned this.

Ever wonder why Hildabeast came out with that speech last week crying about all the mean Republicans in the House going to make Jesus a felon ??

NOW does anyone get it??

[Brad’s Gramma]

Without a shadow of a doubt, the dems are GLEEFUL about this.

No doubt.

But! Had the Republicans, who've been in control for how many years now?...taken care of business....would we even be having this discussion?