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Mrs. Clinton Says G.O.P.'s Immigration Plan Is at Odds With the Bible
NY Times ^ | 3/23/ | Nina Bernstein

Posted on 03/23/2006 12:28:28 PM PST by Crackingham

Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton invoked the Bible yesterday to criticize a stringent border security measure that, among other things, would make it a federal crime to offer aid to illegal immigrants.

"It is hard to believe that a Republican leadership that is constantly talking about values and about faith would put forth such a mean-spirited piece of legislation," she said of the measure, which was passed by the House of Representatives in December and mirrored a companion Senate bill introduced last week by Senator Bill Frist, a Tennessee Republican and the majority leader.

"It is certainly not in keeping with my understanding of the Scripture because this bill would literally criminalize the Good Samaritan and probably even Jesus himself," she said. "We need to sound the alarm about what is being done in the Congress."

Mrs. Clinton, who is running for re-election this year and is leading in polls for the Democratic presidential nomination, spoke at a news conference in Manhattan with more than 30 immigrant leaders after meeting with them privately.

The meeting took place in an atmosphere of mounting urgency, as the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops called on its flock to oppose the measure, and tens of thousands of immigrants around the country stepped up a series of protest rallies in anticipation of a Senate vote on competing immigration bills next week.

Mr. Frist's bill, like the House measure, would make it a crime to be in the United States without proper papers and would add guards and fencing along the Mexican border, and speed deportation.

Some versions, including one proposed by Senator Arlen Spector of Pennsylvania, chairman of the Judiciary Committee, would expand the definition of alien smuggling to include help to illegal immigrants already here.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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To: DTogo
Protect our borders and coastlines from all foreign invaders!

Support our Minutemen Patriots!

Be Ever Vigilant!


161 posted on 03/23/2006 2:23:45 PM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: Alberta's Child

Fine - let's start with "a hot meal and shelter" - should that be criminalized?


162 posted on 03/23/2006 2:24:42 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: TexasRepublic

Thank you - now you know what Hillary Clinton and I are talking about.


163 posted on 03/23/2006 2:25:27 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3

Easy --

Someone hungry comes to our food pantry. We feed them. We don't check their IDs.

Someone comes to our Wednesday night supper, pays the $3, they get a great meal and fellowship in English and Spanish.

No one checks any IDs during ANY normal 'spiritual' or outreach function of the church.




Someone (anyone/everyone) applies for a job at the church, we run background checks and follow all government required processes. If you are illegal, you don't get the job. Sorry.

"If you love me, feed my sheep"


164 posted on 03/23/2006 2:25:50 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitor)
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To: clawrence3

No. Is it?


165 posted on 03/23/2006 2:25:52 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Alberta's Child

That's what HR 4437 may do.


166 posted on 03/23/2006 2:27:31 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: BamaAndy
America has a good system for mankind to emulate and enjoy a higher standard of living. Mexico is not stopped by anyone north of her border from doing the things that would pay off for her population.

Precisely the real issue. I wish someone, anyone in the media would keep bringing this up to both the Leftists and the Neo-Cons. What is holding Mexico back? Why are over a million people a year risking their lives, and their children's lives, to cross a burning dessert to get out of Mexico. If conservatives could frame this in terms of a human tragedy that is happening on our borders, then we would regain control of the argument (force them to throw the spector of racism away), and we could force the politicos to answer the tough questions.

167 posted on 03/23/2006 2:28:00 PM PST by Clock King ("How will it end?" - Emperor; "In Fire." - Kosh)
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To: Dante3

She is also starting to turn on the Iraq war. I expect her to run as an antiwar canadite in '08, promising to bring the troops home from Iraq, Afghanistan, and to drastically downsize the forces we currently have.


168 posted on 03/23/2006 2:28:59 PM PST by Thunder90
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To: Blueflag

That is why Hillary is invoking the Good Samaritan and Jesus - the GOP has handed her this issue on a silver platter - if you thought this was bad, just wait until CNN starts showing Christians arrested and led in handcuffs from soup kitchens.


169 posted on 03/23/2006 2:29:33 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
"May" being the operative word, of course.

If I stop to help a disabled motorist on the side of a highway somewhere, I don't ask him for a valid driver's license and proof of citizenship.

170 posted on 03/23/2006 2:30:15 PM PST by Alberta's Child
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To: Crackingham
as the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops called on its flock to oppose the measure,

just one more reason why this Catholic here refuses to go to church.

171 posted on 03/23/2006 2:30:56 PM PST by Dont_Tread_On_Me_888 (The purpose of this forum is to fight socialism (see FR homepage), not to defend Republicans.)
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To: Crackingham

Revelation 21:8
"But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death."
(NKJV)


172 posted on 03/23/2006 2:30:58 PM PST by alpha-8-25-02 ("SAVED BY GRACE AND GRACE ALONE")
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To: Crackingham

Calling ART BELL: The world must be coming to an end soon: Hillary is quoting the Bible!!!!!


173 posted on 03/23/2006 2:32:28 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: Alberta's Child

Well, did you read the quoted section from the law about assisting aliens? If you "recklessly disregard" whether that disable motorist is illegal, and help him, you too could be carted off to jail.


174 posted on 03/23/2006 2:33:28 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Blueflag

I would be worried about possible arrest if HR 4437 if gets passed then.


175 posted on 03/23/2006 2:35:23 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: Clock King
Now what can be so wrong with Mexico that people would want to leave their homeland? Just about everything!!!

The Mexican government does nothing for its people. It's a going no where country with no LOCAL incentive.

Tell Mexico to change!! They have lotsa oil there.

176 posted on 03/23/2006 2:36:13 PM PST by Sacajaweau (God Bless Our Troops!!)
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To: clawrence3

Now do you think Churches should be allowed to hide lawbreakers for the express purpose of hiding them from law enforcement?Yes or No.

Basically, feed the hungry without asking immigration status? Yes. Hide illegals set for deportation in your Church's basement to keep them from deportation? No


177 posted on 03/23/2006 2:39:28 PM PST by mthom
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To: mthom

I've been a bit busy here responding to everyone to look up the Church's policy on sanctuary . . . be right back.


178 posted on 03/23/2006 2:43:25 PM PST by clawrence3
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To: clawrence3
"Who said anything about a free ride?! If this law is passed, I fully expect Mahony to go to jail, and become a huge political PR nightmare for those like Tancredo."

Look--illegal immigrants are just that---CRIMINALS. They are stealing from poor American citizens and LEGAL immigrants with every day they spend here, and every action they take. THEY SHOULD ALL BE DEPORTED.

This is a completely separate category from a "guest worker program", which is a good thing. What you wetback lovers fail to realize is that by allowing these people to move here, you remove the incentive on the part of their home country governments to actually improve the situation THERE, causing even more pain and misery for the folks who can't or won't make the attempt to emigrate.

Like all good "liberal" actions, the "unintended consequences" are worse than the proposed action. THAT is why the Church is wrong on this issue.

You want to "love your neighbor"?? Deport all the illegals, then send them money to buy guns to fix the governments in their home countries.

179 posted on 03/23/2006 2:43:44 PM PST by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel)
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To: clawrence3
No

BUT the church should not impede the law or lie to protect a lawbreaker. Should an illegal go to a church for shelter and/or aid then the church is well within it's rights to give that aid. After a period of time that individual should make efforts to make himself legal or move on and relieve the burden from that church.

MARK 12:17 Jesus answered them, "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." They marveled greatly at him.

The law of the land is to be followed as well as the law of the church. It is not the duty of the church to aid a lawbreaker, it is that person's duty to make themself lawful.

180 posted on 03/23/2006 2:45:23 PM PST by infidel29 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." --Benjamin Franklin)
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