There is a statute of limitations that frees McCain from paying for many of his past misdeeds, but there is no such statute of limitations for the crime of murder. 
Posted on 03/22/2006 8:58:42 PM PST by Jim Robinson
Edited on 03/23/2006 2:06:21 AM PST by Jim Robinson. [history]
Re: Your attempt to shut down political free speech on the Internet
John McCain, you treasonous bastard, I challenge you or any of your traitorous cohorts to find even one thread, one post, one paragraph, one sentence or even one lousy word posted to this web site that is not fully protected by the First Amendment!
And I will extend that to one chapter, one group, one poster or any group of posters on this forum. Name one assembly, petition, letter, protest, meeting or rally convened, filed, submitted, attended or supported by members of this forum that is not 100% protected and guaranteed as free speech or free assembly by the First Amendment!
Your McCain-Feingold campaign finance reform legislation is a treasonous act. You and your cohorts are attempting to subvert the Constitution of the United States of America, the very same constitution that you swore an oath to defend, so help you God! That makes you a domestic enemy of that great document and a traitor to your country. Yes, and Benedict Arnold was a war hero before he turned traitor too.
How dare you even think that you are qualified to sit in the oval office! Ronald Reagan's office! President? Hah! You miserable excuse for a two-bit political hack, you're not even qualified to shine Ronald Reagan's boots. If you do run, I'm afraid you're gonna be at least one vote short. It'll be a cold day in hell before a traitor like you ever receives my vote. And that's a campaign promise you can take to the bank.
You can take your fascist campaign finance laws and the jackbooted FEC anti-free-speech enforcers you are empowering and put them where the sun don't shine. And if this post is in violation of your unconstitutional law, shove it too!
Paraphrased from In the Face of Evil: Reagan's War in Word and Deed:
The Beast never dies, it simply changes form. The Beast has known many forms: Bolshevism, communism, Nazism, fascism. The Beast has had many names: Lenin, Stalin, Mussolini, Hitler, Tojo, Mao, Pol Pot.
The Beast cannot co-exist with freedom. The very first freedom lost is the freedom of speech, then religion, knowledge and the arts. Anything that empowers the individual must be destroyed. The state must control all.
Power to the state.
Power as an end to itself.
Those who speak out against the Beast are labeled extremists, radicals, warmongers. Churchill, McCarthy, Reagan.
The Beast must be contained, appeased. We must have "Detente" at any cost. Direct confrontation of the Beast must be avoided.
Appease him and pray the wolf may pass our door.
Free speech must die.
The Beast never dies.
The key issue for me isn't so much campaing financing. It's the way MF CFR defines certain kinds of speech as a "campaign contribution", which must then be regulated. There are proposals in Washington to regulate political blogs and websites, such as FR. That's the big problem--the growing effort to regulate and censor political speech on the internet.
Yes. Giving him excellent qualifications to serve as Director of the CIA. And McCain came out endorsing the guy at every opportunity.
There is a statute of limitations that frees McCain from paying for many of his past misdeeds, but there is no such statute of limitations for the crime of murder.
FGS, Archy.
McCain's endorsement of Lake is certainly puzzling and inexplicable based on publicly available information.
Jim, have you made arrangements for off-shore hosting in the event the fascists try to shut down free speech before the election?
It looks like it may come to that and it would be good for FReepers to know the URL before we need to log in on the offshore site. Panama might be a good place to look into.
I don't think offshore web hosting is the correct solution to this problem, because it could certainly be regulated too. The solution is to make a maxium effort and fight it out right now with those who want to restrict our right to free speech. We want to win cleanly and legally right now and not resort to legal trickery which could ultimately be self-defeating.
Well, I'm ignonant of any such proposal and would like more information on it...and, if McCain is pushing it, it would very much lower my opinion of him.
Furthermore, if any RINOs have to be knocked out of Congress to protect our right to free speech, then now is the time to work for their defeat in the primaries and get rid of them once and for all.
Geez, just read the whole thread and links to related threads. The proposals are in there.
Now I realize he is a dangerous idiot and a menace.
I agree we need to fight this but we need a back-up plan incase the bastards win and shut down political speech. A site outside their jurisdiction can't be regualted. Look at the trouble other despots have regulating access to the web.
The bastards can regulate speech here but not world wide yet.
What prevents more people from realizing the horrors related to that 'old boy network' . . . to put it mildly
CFR, NWO etc.
Seems to plain and obvious to anyone who fair mindedly does the least bit of significant research.
This chick isn't sitting home on election day. My dad, grandfathers, brother and uncles risked their lives in various wars for our right to vote.
John Sidney McCain will lose in grand fashion in the Republican primaries, but his his malignant influence doesn't end there.
McCain will either run as a third party spoiler (think what Perot did to us) or, as Hillary Rodham's veep.
Ironically, McCain could have had the nomination, and possibly the presidency, had he not chosen to play both sides.
Whoa, >1,000 posts. Guess I'm a little late to this party.
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Just because it's relevant to the thread, from John Hawkins
The Conservative Case Against John McCain In 2008
There is no Republican up on Capitol Hill more disliked by his own GOP brethren than John McCain. That's why, despite the size of his fan club in the mainstream media, McCain seems rather unlikely to capture the party's nomination for President in 2008.
Here's a short, but sweet primer that may help explain why so many conservatives believe John McCain would be a very poor choice as the Republican nominee in 2008.
The Age Issue
John McCain will be 72 years old in 2008, which will make him 3 years older than Ronald Reagan was when he became the oldest man to ever be inaugurated as president back in 1981. In the Senate, where doddering fossils like Strom Thurmond and Robert Byrd can be elected over and over, McCain looks like a spring chicken in comparison. But, Reagan's age turned out to be a campaign issue and McCain, who would be 80 years old at the end of his 2nd term, would certainly have a lot of people questioning --with good reason -- whether he's up to the job. Were McCain to be the nominee, his age could be the deciding factor that puts a Democrat in office.
How Electable Is McCain Really?
The mainstream media loves John McCain and they regularly write fawning articles referring to him as a "maverick" and a "straight-talker." Because of this, McCain polls well among Democrats and Independents.
However, the reason McCain is so well liked by the media is because they're liberals and they love it when he trashes other Republicans. But, what would happen if John McCain actually became the Republican nominee? The same members of the mainstream media who gush over him today would turn on him in a Minnesota minute and once his great press ended, his poll numbers with Independents and Democrats would start to drop precipitously.
Moreover, it's no big secret that McCain is roundly despised by more than a few conservatives. The thinking there usually goes, "Well, what are they going to do, vote for Hillary?" No, they won't, "vote for Hillary," but will they contribute money to McCain, volunteer for his campaign, or defend him from attacks made by Democrats or the press? No, they won't.
More importantly, they may throw their votes away by voting Libertarian or for the Constitution Party in 2008. Given that the outcome of three of the last four elections may have been decided by these sorts of protest votes (for Perot in '92 and '96 and Nader in 2000), this is not an issue that should be taken lightly.
What's Wrong With Actually Having A Loyal Republican As The Republican Nominee?
One of the most galling things about the idea of having John McCain as the Republican nominee in 2008 is that whether he's a loyal Republican or not is a question that can't truly be answered. Back in 2001, there were rumors that McCain might, depending on how the election turned out, switch parties in order to help the Democrats retain the Senate. In 2002, there were rumors that McCain was considering switching parties and running for President as a Democrat. In 2004, "on several occasions," McCain talked with John Kerry about becoming his vice-president. Obviously McCain hasn't pulled a Jim Jeffords yet, but you have to wonder about where he really stands.
How Can You Be Pro-Life And Pro-Roe v. Wade At The Same Time?
Overall, John McCain does have a fairly solid pro-life voting record (The glaring exception is that he has gone off the reservation on embryonic stem cell research). However, McCain has specifically said, on more than one occasion, back in August of 1999, that he opposes overturning Roe v. Wade:
"I'd love to see a point where (Roe v. Wade) is irrelevant, and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary. But certainly in the short term, or even-the long-term, I would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade, which would then force X number of women in America to [undergo] illegal and dangerous operations."
"I would not seek to overturn Roe v. Wade tomorrow, because doing so would endanger the lives of women."
Has McCain also said he wants to repeal Roe v. Wade on many occasions? Yes. But, how can pro-lifers trust a man who has flip-flopped like John Kerry on Roe v. Wade to appoint the Supreme Court Justices who may end up deciding the issue? Simply put, we can't.
Kyoto By Any Other Name Would Still Smell As Rotten
John McCain has proposed a radical bill, the McCain-Lieberman Stewardship Act, that is not all that different from the Kyoto Protocol. McCain's bill would do cataclysmic damage to our economy. In the name of cutting greenhouse gas emissions by an insignificant percentage, that not even the biggest proponents of Kyoto believe would have a significant impact on the weather, here's the damage John McCain would be willing to do to our economy (from an article by Marlo Lewis in National Review):
"Proponents will undoubtedly argue, as they did last fall, that we need not worry about the bill's economic impact because Phase I (of McCain's bill) is just a "modest" first step in addressing global climate change. A recent Energy Information Administration (EIA) analysis suggests otherwise. According to EIA, Phase I would increase: gasoline prices by 9 percent in 2010 and 19 percent in 2025; natural-gas prices in the industrial and electric-power sectors by 21 percent in 2010 and 58 percent in 2025; and electricity prices by 35 percent in 2025."
Would you support a Republican candidate for President who pledged to sign America on to Kyoto Protocol? If not, then why support John McCain, who wants to do almost the same thing under a different name?
McCain Vs. The Bush Tax Cuts
Most conservatives believe the biggest domestic success of George Bush's first term were his tax cuts. John McCain voted against them, more than once, before finally flip-flopping and voting for them this year. Enough said.
McCain May Not Like Bush's Tax Cuts, But He Loves Illegal Immigration
McCain has teamed up with Ted Kennedy to propose a bill that rewards illegal aliens by allowing them to stay in the US permanently after they pay a modest fine, brings in hundreds of thousands of new guest workers as well, and does almost nothing to enforce immigration law or prevent new illegal aliens from entering the country. In other words, if you love George Bush's illegal immigration policy, John McCain is offering more of the same. On the other hand, if you believe we need to clamp down on illegal immigration, John McCain is not a candidate you should support.
The Gang-Of-14 Disaster
Just as Republicans in Congress were about to step in and put an end to the Democratic filibusters of judges once and for all, John McCain and the rest of the "Gang-Of-14" stepped in with a deal that kept the filibuster alive. This got John McCain and the other participants in the deal lots of favorable press, but the GOP paid a real price so that the "Maverick" could be in the spotlight again. Several GOP judges were thrown over the side and have, as of yet, never been allowed to get a vote.
Furthermore, the Gang-of-14 deal explicitly no long applies after the 2006 elections occur. So, if the Democrats gain seats in the Senate and decide to start filibustering again, it's entirely possible that this time, the GOP won't be able to muster the votes to stop them. That means that if a liberal Supreme Court Justice steps down during the last two years of Bush's term, because of John McCain and Company, it may not be possible to replace them with another Alito or Roberts. That's the price the party may have to pay so that John McCain can continue to be the New York Times' favorite Republican.
The McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Debacle
John McCain's signature piece of legislation is the McCain-Feingold Campaign Finance Reform Bill, which was one of the worst pieces of legislation to make it through Congress in the last decade. The idea behind this nightmare, which was a failure on every level, was that it was going to, "take the money out of politics." Well, not only did McCain-Feingold fail to, "take the money out of politics," more money was spent than ever before during the 2004 elections. Moreover, the bill unconstitutionally curbed free speech, protected incumbents, gave a fund raising edge to the Democrats, and opened up the door to regulating bloggers. If McCain says that he'll do for America what he did for campaign finance reform, it should be taken as a threat.
Conclusion
That should give you a pretty good idea of what some of McCain's biggest flaws are, but what you've seen so far is by no means a comprehensive list. Keep in mind that McCain opposed Bush's attempt to protect marriage by enshrining it in the Constitution, committed adultery in his first marriage, attacked the Swift Boat Veterans For Truth, endangered the lives of all Americans by handcuffing our military interrogators, had a meltdown over a boxing commission...you can go on and on like this.
The long and short of it is that John McCain is a deeply flawed candidate who's unlikely to capture the Republican nomination, unlikely to win the presidency, and is unlikely to be a good President even if he somehow makes it to the White House.
John Hawkins
http://www.rightwingnews.com/archives/week_2006_03_12.PHP
I think you are absolutely on target about the electoral college.
I believe Shrillery will do everything she can to be queen of NORTHAM or whatever region of 10 this will turn out to be in the global government.
Hideous bwitch.
Oh, B.S., this is some of the same kind hard right wing propanda lies that smear fine military veterans who served their country but are not on the same side of the political fence, and it is traditionally comes from those who never knew how a uniform fits but knew exactly where to go to escape combat and/or draft status (i.e. chickenhawks). McCain is a bonafide POW who suffered physical and mental anguish at the hands of the N. Vietnamese. Next, people such as yourself will be falling for RW propaganda smearing the likes of heroes such as Sgt. Alvin York or Lt. Audie Murphy because they happened to be poor, Southern and grew up as Democrats.
"McCaine-Feingold is a threat to America and American liberty. Did you imagine that FreeRepublic would stand immune from such threats?"
If its targeted at message boards then no - Freep is a logical target. I've just read the whole bill and can't find where it would reasonably apply to message boards.
Not according to his Senior Ranking Officers and others who were POWs at the time. McCain is a "hero" like Kerry is a hero. The vets are going to "Swift Boat" him just like they did Kerry.
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