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So not only would it be morally proper for the GOP to make Intelligent Design a front and center issue, it would also be politically effective. But I guess we don't want to step on any RINO toes, do we?
1 posted on 03/07/2006 5:06:13 PM PST by Greg o the Navy
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To: Greg o the Navy

"So not only would it be morally proper..."

It's not.


2 posted on 03/07/2006 5:08:44 PM PST by elfman2
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To: Greg o the Navy

uh oh, this is going to get the Darwinians' tail feathers all flustered. Should be a good read in a few hours.


4 posted on 03/07/2006 5:12:34 PM PST by volchef (After a great meal I could forgive almost anyone......except a democrat.)
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To: Greg o the Navy
The Zogby poll reportedly showed 69 percent of Americans support the presentation of Intelligent Design, with 21 percent believing only Darwin's theory of evolution should be part of a high school's curriculum.

We don't trust Zogby on any other polls, so why this one? Even though I am a supporter of the ID theory and that it, and marco-evolutionary biology, should be taught side-by-side, I still don't trust Zogby. JMO

5 posted on 03/07/2006 5:13:35 PM PST by IllumiNaughtyByNature ( NOW my pug is REALLY on her war footing.)
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To: Greg o the Navy

I don't think we want to teach science based on polls.

Most americans believe in ghosts. 43% of young adults believe in astrology suggesting that may reach majorioty support soon.

Most Americans don't understand higher math or science so it doesn't make sense to decide what math or science to teach based on polls.


7 posted on 03/07/2006 5:17:31 PM PST by gondramB (Render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and unto God that which is God's.)
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To: Greg o the Navy
ID should be taught, in the appropriate class.
Evolution should be taught, in the appropriate class.

And let people decide for themselves. As we all have.

I personally think evolution belongs in a science class.
ID belongs in a philosophy or social studies class.

If one wants in depth understanding and chooses faith in a particular religious view. Go to that church as we have this freedom.

Thats my opinion. your mileage may vary.
9 posted on 03/07/2006 5:19:27 PM PST by Names Ash Housewares
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To: Greg o the Navy
A fine way to design a science curriculum: poll as many people with a list of topics to teach, encouraging each to invent his own theory along the way(the nonexistence of a proof is an essential prerequisite).

A new wave of science is upon us.

Science by majority polling !!!!!!
13 posted on 03/07/2006 5:26:40 PM PST by raj bhatia
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OK, just for argument's sake, which creation story will be taught? Every culture on Earth has its own creation story, you know.

Shall we use the Abrahamic version from Genesis? Or the ancient Egyptian tale of Atum the sun god?

How about Unkulunkulu, the Zulu creator who came from the reeds?

Perhaps the tale of Kamui, who made this world as an ocean sitting on the backbone of a giant trout?

Then there's the story of Pan Gu, whos assorted body parts became all the things in the world when he died.

I kind of lean toward the Aztec one, because I think a celestial lady wearing a skirt made out of live snakes is downright cool, but that's just me.

If you want your kids to learn the creation story of Genesis, go right ahead and teach it to them. But please do not presume the right to impose your beliefs on me and mine by the police powers of the State.

21 posted on 03/07/2006 6:22:17 PM PST by FierceDraka ("Sure as I know anything, I know this: I aim to misbehave." - Capt. Mal Reynolds)
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To: Greg o the Navy

The wording of the poll questions was about as weaselly as any you'll ever see. Hardly surprising; the poll was commissioned by the Discovery Institute. All it demonstrates is what anyone with the slightest political sophistication knows - that if you let me write the questions, I can get he poll to say anything you want.


22 posted on 03/07/2006 6:22:56 PM PST by Right Wing Professor
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To: Greg o the Navy

I want volcanoes, earthquakes, and tsunamis included in intelligent design. God needs a way to talk to us, so he created natural disasters to do it.


26 posted on 03/07/2006 7:27:40 PM PST by opinionator
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To: Greg o the Navy

Curious. What is the "Intelligent Design theory"? What observations does it explain? What predictions does it make? What observations does it support moreso than any other possible explanation? What hypothetical observation would falsify the theory?


29 posted on 03/07/2006 8:16:25 PM PST by Dimensio (http://angryflower.com/bobsqu.gif <-- required reading before you use your next apostrophe!)
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To: Greg o the Navy

In the question of the origin of life there are only two possibilities. Either it spontaneously generated or its been here eternally.

Neither strikes me as being rational or scientific. But those who claim to be scientific invariably insist that spontaneous generation is rational and scientific. And the get really argumentative if you suggest otherwise. I give them another 10 years before they start burning folks at the stake who disagree with them on charges of heresy.


31 posted on 03/07/2006 9:22:09 PM PST by festus (The constitution may be flawed but its a whole lot better than what we have now.)
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To: Greg o the Navy

I got push polled the other night.

Must have not answered the first 2 questions right.

Machine paused, skipped question 3 all together and went to 4 and 5.

When they need to skew the results they fudge the questions.


32 posted on 03/07/2006 9:26:19 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..".Liberty is the right and hope of all humanity"GW Bush)
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To: Greg o the Navy

Tell me how intelligent design can be falsified, and then I will accept it as science. Tell me how we can use it to predict results of experiments, and I will accept it as science.

Until that day comes, I will not accept Intelligent Design as science, and as such, it doesn't belong in a science classroom. Philosophy classroom would be ok, but not a science classroom. Kids are barely learning the scientific method as it is.


39 posted on 03/07/2006 10:48:55 PM PST by Quick1 (Censorship: the worst obscenity.)
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To: Greg o the Navy

Hmmm.....I thought that all Zogby polls were leftwing MSM disinformation.


62 posted on 03/08/2006 9:46:20 AM PST by Austin Willard Wright
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To: Greg o the Navy

Can't wait for the Zogby poll on quantum chromodynamics.


63 posted on 03/08/2006 9:49:57 AM PST by RogueIsland (.)
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To: Greg o the Navy
"A poll by Zogby International reportedly shows most Americans support public school teachers presenting evolution and intelligent design theories."

No surprise about that.

Not ALL parents are totally Godless. Some actually see the fallacies of evolution and want them to also see what God teaches about Creation.

As usual it's just a few LOUD MOUTHED godless liberals that want the Judeo Christian God erased from this earth in EVERY form - gees ... sounds like a few godless freepers I've encountered ... .
64 posted on 03/08/2006 9:52:37 AM PST by nmh (Intelligent people believe in Intelligent Design (God))
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To: Greg o the Navy
"This poll shows widespread support for the idea that when biology teachers teach Darwin's theory of evolution, they should present the scientific evidence that supports it as well as the evidence against it," said Casey Luskin, program officer for public policy and legal affairs with Discovery Institute's Center for Science and Culture.

The Storyline is a lie.

People were asked if teachers should teach all evidence. Something only an Evo would answer, "yes" to -- since there is no evidence for ID, this poll couldn't be referring to ID.

77 posted on 03/08/2006 11:15:06 AM PST by Dominic Harr
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To: Greg o the Navy

This conflict has nothing to do with science. The unadorned reason for the war against Intelligent Design in favor of Darwin's theory is to deny the existence of God. I wish the issue was so defined.


145 posted on 03/09/2006 7:53:52 PM PST by Dionysius (ACLU is the enemy)
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To: Greg o the Navy
A poll by Zogby International reportedly shows most Americans support public school teachers presenting evolution and intelligent design theories.

I'll gladly advocate "intelligent design" theories being taught in school just as soon as it actually *has* a theory. To date, it doesn't (even after 3000+ years of trying), and I doubt it ever will.

And if anyone wants to try to suggest one, keep in mind that in order to be a "theory" in the epistemological sense (and not the vernacular sense as in "notion" or "guess"), an explanation has to meet several specific criteria. And "intelligent design" currently fails those on all counts.

Additionally, I'm just *dying* to hear someone expound what, exactly, an "intelligent design" curriculum would consist of. Take away the misguided evolution-bashing, the fallacious arguments, and the outright misrepresentations, and there just isn't much left to *teach* about "ID", other than, "well, some people think that some deity or unknown aliens might have had some involvement somewhere at some time for some unspecified reasons in the history of life... also... um... okay, let's break for lunch, shall we?"

153 posted on 03/09/2006 9:36:00 PM PST by Ichneumon
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To: Greg o the Navy
I guess I'm not clear on just what Intelligent Design is.

If it means that God designed the evolutionary process - I'm all for it.

If it means the Earth is only 6000 years old and that dinosaurs lived along side humans (like in the Flintstones) - it has no place in science classes.

173 posted on 03/10/2006 11:27:30 AM PST by Tokra (I think I'll retire to Bedlam.)
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