Posted on 02/20/2006 12:58:55 PM PST by aculeus
Blah Blah Blah...
I get so tired of the movie theatre dribble.
That has nothing to do with free speech.
It's reckless endangerment.
What's next? Freedom of speech for holocaust victims only?
You had to bring him up! He might be the only person I would want to send to prison for what he writes and says.
I agree. It's an opinion, nothing more, nothing less. He's not advocating genocide or any harm to anyone. I do wish people would stop being so hypersensitive about the Holocaust.
Do we also arrest members of "The Flat Earth Society?"
> Such deniers are reasonably analogized to someone
> falsely shouting, "Fire!" in a crowded theater just
> to witness the stampede, mayhem and near-certain
> human injury.
How so? No-one stampeded when they heard Irving's nonsence; no-one has been injured by his communicating his ideas. And before you say, well, he encourages Neo-Nazis, remember that shouting fire in a theatre will produce injury by virtue of people's automatic reactions; anyone who injures someone after hearing Irving is doing so with full moral responsbilty for a premeditated action.
He wasn't extradited. He went to Austria on his own accord and was arrested on an outstanding warrant.
Europe is nearly as dangerous as the Middle East when it comes to freedom of speech and conscience, and the privilege of being a jerk, like this guy, is a state monopoly.
I fear Europeans will never learn about free speech. They just don't have the guts for it, but I'm sure their new Moslem masters will help them work things out by bowing their heads 5 times a day toward Mecca.
That makes it right?
He was arrested for something he said 17 years ago!
But thats the Euroweenies for you.
It's not an accident they produced Hitler.
"Yes, I saw that idiot in an interview on Irish TV recently, what a moonbat!!"
He's gone so far off the deep end on being "pro-Palestinian" that he reportedly wrote the foreword for some neo-Nazi screed in France, then claimed he didn't know what the book was about.
Until then, you're mischaracterizing what's happened here.
You're your own microcosm here. You have freedom of speech, and despite your being in the wrong, no one is abridging your right to say it. All is still well with the world.
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All that happens here is, as so many have said, the state creates a martyr for these Nazi b*sta*rds and brings us nearer the day when the Islamofascists will take over Western Europe and we will have to nuke them back to the stoneage to save ourselves.
So, it's a really serious issue to shut these guys up.
Better that this nonsense is out in the open, where it can be countered, than that it be forced underground where they can grieve their martyrs and grow in size.
However, I think jailing Irving is a mistake. It will only make him a martyr among those - including the Islamists - who deny not only the Holocaust but other realities.
Liberals, Muzzies and Nazis seem to be willfully oblivious to the fact that they are all the one!!
"Liberals, Muzzies and Nazis seem to be willfully oblivious to the fact that they are all the one!!"
That does appear to be changing, what with imams getting the royal welcome in Cuba and Venezuela these days. Strange times. The truth will out, I guess.
Yes.
Ernst Zundel is in prison in Germany for books he published (not wrote) in Canada and the United States. The United States deported him to Canada (He's a Canadian citizen, married to a United States citizen), where he was immediately imprisoned without trial and held in solitary confinemen. When he finally stood trial before Canada's Hate Crimes tribunal, he was told that "Truth is not a defense" and was then deported to Germany where he had been found guilty in absentia for denying the holocaust.
I think you can throw Castro and Chavez into the same category!
"I think you can throw Castro and Chavez into the same category!"
They do love to tart themselves up with fancy dress uniforms, don't they?
Do you have a cite for that?
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