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Holocaust denier Irving is jailed [Three years]
BBC News on line ^ | February 20, 2006 | Unsigned

Posted on 02/20/2006 12:58:55 PM PST by aculeus

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To: holden

Blah Blah Blah...

I get so tired of the movie theatre dribble.

That has nothing to do with free speech.
It's reckless endangerment.

What's next? Freedom of speech for holocaust victims only?


41 posted on 02/20/2006 2:02:17 PM PST by djf
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To: RegulatorCountry
Case In Point: Noam Chomsky

You had to bring him up! He might be the only person I would want to send to prison for what he writes and says.

42 posted on 02/20/2006 2:03:53 PM PST by Casloy
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To: fizziwig

I agree. It's an opinion, nothing more, nothing less. He's not advocating genocide or any harm to anyone. I do wish people would stop being so hypersensitive about the Holocaust.


43 posted on 02/20/2006 2:11:04 PM PST by Niuhuru
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To: holden

Do we also arrest members of "The Flat Earth Society?"


44 posted on 02/20/2006 2:11:38 PM PST by dfwgator
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To: holden

> Such deniers are reasonably analogized to someone
> falsely shouting, "Fire!" in a crowded theater just
> to witness the stampede, mayhem and near-certain
> human injury.

How so? No-one stampeded when they heard Irving's nonsence; no-one has been injured by his communicating his ideas. And before you say, well, he encourages Neo-Nazis, remember that shouting fire in a theatre will produce injury by virtue of people's automatic reactions; anyone who injures someone after hearing Irving is doing so with full moral responsbilty for a premeditated action.


45 posted on 02/20/2006 2:12:52 PM PST by MikeGranby
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To: RegulatorCountry

He wasn't extradited. He went to Austria on his own accord and was arrested on an outstanding warrant.


46 posted on 02/20/2006 2:13:49 PM PST by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: MikeGranby
This is exactly why so many journalists are NOT willing to stand up against the Islamofascists.

Europe is nearly as dangerous as the Middle East when it comes to freedom of speech and conscience, and the privilege of being a jerk, like this guy, is a state monopoly.

I fear Europeans will never learn about free speech. They just don't have the guts for it, but I'm sure their new Moslem masters will help them work things out by bowing their heads 5 times a day toward Mecca.

47 posted on 02/20/2006 2:14:37 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: July 4th

That makes it right?

He was arrested for something he said 17 years ago!

But thats the Euroweenies for you.

It's not an accident they produced Hitler.


48 posted on 02/20/2006 2:17:01 PM PST by rcocean (Copyright is theft and loved by Hollywood socialists)
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To: aculeus
An unidentified onlooker told him: "Stay strong!".

Oh, puke.

Given that, it is disturbing that you can be thrown in jail for simply saying something like that.
49 posted on 02/20/2006 2:18:41 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Darwinism is a belief in the meaninglessness of existence - R. Kirk)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

"Yes, I saw that idiot in an interview on Irish TV recently, what a moonbat!!"

He's gone so far off the deep end on being "pro-Palestinian" that he reportedly wrote the foreword for some neo-Nazi screed in France, then claimed he didn't know what the book was about.


50 posted on 02/20/2006 2:19:08 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: djf
When an average Joe little guy gets charged as a holocaust denier for his personal opinion, then you can and should complain. To my knowledge it hasn't yet happened.

Until then, you're mischaracterizing what's happened here.

You're your own microcosm here. You have freedom of speech, and despite your being in the wrong, no one is abridging your right to say it. All is still well with the world.

HF

51 posted on 02/20/2006 2:20:07 PM PST by holden (holden on'a'na truth, de whole truth, 'n nuttin' but de truth)
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To: holden
Not really ~ the professional holocaust deniers are very few in number, and except for being prosecuted, little known.

All that happens here is, as so many have said, the state creates a martyr for these Nazi b*sta*rds and brings us nearer the day when the Islamofascists will take over Western Europe and we will have to nuke them back to the stoneage to save ourselves.

So, it's a really serious issue to shut these guys up.

Better that this nonsense is out in the open, where it can be countered, than that it be forced underground where they can grieve their martyrs and grow in size.

52 posted on 02/20/2006 2:21:05 PM PST by muawiyah (-)
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To: aculeus
I have been to Auschwitz ("Arbeit Macht Frei"), to Buchenwald ("Jedem das Seine," )and to Treblinka twice - perhaps the saddest of all because the Nazis destroyed all the evidence before they left (but under heavy rains, bones still crop up.) Aside from the moral horror, the Holocaust was a demographic wound from which Europe has not yet and may never recover.

However, I think jailing Irving is a mistake. It will only make him a martyr among those - including the Islamists - who deny not only the Holocaust but other realities.

53 posted on 02/20/2006 2:21:06 PM PST by Malesherbes
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To: RegulatorCountry

Liberals, Muzzies and Nazis seem to be willfully oblivious to the fact that they are all the one!!


54 posted on 02/20/2006 2:22:39 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

"Liberals, Muzzies and Nazis seem to be willfully oblivious to the fact that they are all the one!!"

That does appear to be changing, what with imams getting the royal welcome in Cuba and Venezuela these days. Strange times. The truth will out, I guess.


55 posted on 02/20/2006 2:26:30 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Radix
Gosh would it still have been a crime if he gave the speech in his own country?

Yes.

Ernst Zundel is in prison in Germany for books he published (not wrote) in Canada and the United States. The United States deported him to Canada (He's a Canadian citizen, married to a United States citizen), where he was immediately imprisoned without trial and held in solitary confinemen. When he finally stood trial before Canada's Hate Crimes tribunal, he was told that "Truth is not a defense" and was then deported to Germany where he had been found guilty in absentia for denying the holocaust.

56 posted on 02/20/2006 2:26:31 PM PST by Swordmaker (Beware of Geeks bearing GIFs.)
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To: jude24
When I was stationed in Germany, they ran that Holocaust TV miniseries for the first time.

My German neighbors went apesheite. They totally were freaking out about the program...

"That was so Looongggg ago...Why are they bringing this up again?"

Perhaps those laws make some sense, but in a way it seems rather eerie to me. I'm glad that I live here.
57 posted on 02/20/2006 2:27:17 PM PST by Radix (I really love the liberals, they put the FUN in funerals.)
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To: RegulatorCountry

I think you can throw Castro and Chavez into the same category!


58 posted on 02/20/2006 2:29:10 PM PST by Irish_Thatcherite (~~~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~~~)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

"I think you can throw Castro and Chavez into the same category!"

They do love to tart themselves up with fancy dress uniforms, don't they?


59 posted on 02/20/2006 2:30:32 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Swordmaker
When he finally stood trial before Canada's Hate Crimes tribunal, he was told that "Truth is not a defense" . . .

Do you have a cite for that?

60 posted on 02/20/2006 2:31:16 PM PST by Petronski (I love Cyborg!)
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