Posted on 02/17/2006 8:01:45 PM PST by Mia T
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This is HARDBALL on MSNBC.
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[NOTE: My comments in blue.]
MATTHEWS: We're back with Anne Kornblut of "The New York Times" and Dana Milbank of "The Washington Post." Let's talk about Gotham's candidates for president.
First, Rudolph Giuliani, the pro-choice, pro-gay rights, former mayor spent today, or the day in Orlando speaking to a conference of Evangelicals.
Dana, he's up to it, isn't he? This is below the radar. This is Rudy campaigning for president in the south.
MILBANK: This is about as convincing as Jerry Falwell at the gay pride parade.
MATTHEWS: You don't buy this?
MILBANK: Well, he can try to do it. But, look, he faces an awful uphill battle in winning over the typical Republican voter in a primary. Now, if the election was fought on national security, he is fine. But he's never going to convince them that he is one of them, that he is a religious conservative.
KORNBLUT: Right and not only that, but he's going to be in a death struggle with John McCain for the exact same constituency.
MATTHEWS: Let me tell you something. I'll say it here a thousand time. Watch Rudolph Giuliani. Watch him. Security is the issue in this country. Whoever is the next president is going to be seen as more on the ball than even this president on security and terrorism. This country is not going sort on terrorism. We are going to get smarter on it is my hunch.
And Rudy is the guy to do it. And he can be an SOB in many ways. But this country may really want an SOB, a really tough cop as the next president. So watch Rudy, I'm saying it.
Now here is Hillary Clinton, that other New Yorker in the subway series. A new Gallup poll just came out. "USA TODAY" Gallup poll, it shows that 16 percent say that they'll definitely vote for Hillary right now, 32 percent say they might vote for her.
But here's the dagger in the back. Fifty-one percent say they would definitely not vote for Hillary Clinton already the campaign hasn't begun.
KORNBLUT: I mean, this is exactly what Democrats are worried about is that already people have made up their minds. I would argue, I guess, that it is awfully early. We all know how early it is to be talking about this.
MATTHEWS: Definitely.
KORNBLUT: Definitely? What does definitely mean? [Definitely means DEFINITELY.] You know, you would have to see how is the question exactly phrased, all that stuff. It is early. [Actually Anne, it is late. In fact, it is too late. The country knows exactly who this woman is, Anne.]
MATTHEWS: But there's lot of tooth behind that. If somebody tells a pollster, I've already made up my mind definitely.
KORNBLUT: And, look, I know more Democrats who believe this though than Republicans. A lot of Republicans say that this is a deceptive number, that once she gets out there with all of her money running against who, Giuliani or McCain, the numbers may not be that weak. [She has 100% name recognition, Anne. You can't make a silk purse from a sow's ear. Even when the sow isn't hillary.]
MATTHEWS: How much of that is don't throw me in that briar patch, Dana? We're so afraid of Hillary. Please don't run her against us. She'll kill us.
MILBANK: Anne is right that these polls are completely useless because you don't know what the alternative is. But the fact is that she... [Earth to Dana: 51% would vote for their mother-in-law before they would vote for HER.]
MATTHEWS: OK. McCain against Hillary. Who wins?
MILBANK: Well, that's fine. If you can tell me that's how it is going to turn out. But we don't know.
MATTHEWS: Well, let me ask you about these definite numbers in a poll. Do you believe the definite? Do you believe somebody right in 2006 knows how they are going to vote in 2008?
MILBANK: I think they definitely think that's what they are going to do right now, but they have no idea what they are going to be doing in a couple years. And Hillary is going to have the opposite problem of Rudy. And that is she's absolutely fine with her base if she decides to run. But she is seemingly incapable of crossing over.
MATTHEWS: The poll was taken over the week right through Sunday, the Gallup poll. And the Gallup poll is, of course, the most prestigious poll there is right now and has been for years.
Dana, do you think she's paying the price for her plantation remark last week?
MILBANK: Probably not. Because, once again, plays very well the base. The people who were objecting to it were never going to support her in the first case. And I really think the only thing that this is right now is do people recognize her name. [What is it you don't understand, here? We recognize her name, yes. And we abhor the person attached to that name. Get it?]
KORNBLUT: And I would add to that. It's 51 percent say definitely not. Remember the margin that's we've been talking about in the last few presidential races, 51 percent is terrible, but all she would have to do is bump it by a few numbers, a few percentage points and be OK. [I can see why Pinch hired you, Anne. Your Alice-in-Wonderland illogic is quintessential New York Times. With 100% name recognition and roughly 10% corruption recognition (thanks in no small measure to your rag), missus clinton has only one way to go. And it isn't up.]
... Anyway, thank you Anne Kornblut of "The New York Times," Dana Milbank of "The Washington Post."
Join us again tomorrow night at 5:00 and 7:00 Eastern for more HARDBALL. Right now it is time for "THE ABRAM'S REPORT" with Dan.
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COPYRIGHT MIA T 2006
Seeing how close that traitor Kerry came I don't think you could count Hillary out.
There you go, folks. Who could doubt this man's qualifications to be the next president of the United States?
In addition to these sterling attributes, Rudy also:
I predict a massive heart attack.
"The people who are worrying about that should stop worrying. "
I wouldn't stop worrying until AFTER she looses in 08. She is very dangerous and I wouldn't slight herin the least. We do so at our own peril.
The ONLY real issue is terrorism and on that end rudy is excellent. As president he wont have any real say in changing gun laws .
Two questions for you, Binkdeville:
1. Why is Rudy "excellent"?
2. Wouldn't Mike Pence or George Allen be just as, if not more, capable than Giuliani?
...by the way, with a pistol barrel held against my head I wouldn't vote for Rudy Giuliani.
He is.
I googled mike pence. mikepence.com says he's from the 6th cong dist of KY. All other references say he is from 6th cong dist of IN. Is he lost?
Please nobody listen to Bill. Let her run.
I see no reference to Kentucky at www.mikepence.com
Matter of fact, directly under About Mike one will find Indiana's 6th District.
By the way, deBuillion...The aforementioned site is Mike's committee's, his congressional site is:
Thank you for your interest.
This is what shows up if , like I said , you google mike pence, jla.
Another "What a great post" BUMP!
hey FReeperFRiend , ya mean[?] it would be like Rolling Stones lore ,...
... "was it Mick or Keith? Who pushed Brian into the pool?"
so , with Sir Edmund Hillary Clinton ,which one of her cadre[?], who could get Bubba over to the hotel room window?
perhaps in Europe , out for a moonlight cruise.......
I think you're right. Under the right circumstances, she could win.
2008 is a ways off. A lot of things could change between now and then.
Better to keep your guard up then get sucker punched.
I'll check back Monday.
(I never realized how hard it would be coming up with a reasonable and cogent reply as to why Rudy's qualified to be POTUS)
You have to admit that the Clintons have been good for the Republican Party starting in 1993.
Personally can't see what Giuliani would bring to the table in terms of leadership. The only way Hillary has a shot is if the GOP runs some milquetoast who doesn't take border security and immigration reform seriously. Why take away from the gains made in the USSC by putting a liberal in office?
I think he's a liability even in a VP role. Why fight a New York liberal with another New York liberal?
Also... Middle America has some real problems that will take some real leadership to solve. I don't think another 'coastie' is the answer. Tancredo and Pence would be the fore-runners here.
Some Giuliani 'food-for-thought':
"Giuliani took part in a homosexual pride parade that included a contingent of pedophile activists marching behind a banner for NAMBLA (North American Man/Boy Love Association)." - excerpt
http://www.cultureandfamily.org/articledisplay.asp?id=318&department=CFI&categoryid=cfreport
West Coast Catholics aren't buying in on his abortion stance.
http://www.catholicexchange.com/vm/index.asp?vm_id=1&art_id=29509
Apparently hellbent Palestinians don't really kill people, guns do.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9702/24/empire.shoot/
Giuliani fought to protect foodstamp entitlements for illegal aliens.
http://www.cnn.com/US/9610/11/immigration.suit/
I'm sure there's more where this came from; I'm just too nauseous to keep looking.
I would so love to believe she has no chance of ever winning the presidency, but those who underestimate the power of evil--especially as manifested in this woman and her husband--do so at their own peril. I remember people guffawing in '92 at the very notion that Bill Clinton could ever be president. I remember people giving ironclad guarantees that Bill Clinton would never ever be re-elected.
If you want to know the deciding factor on whether she'll be president, listen closely. Here it comes: IF we've weakened the power of the MSM enough, she won't be. IF we have not, she'll win. That's it. When the campaigns get going, the MSM will launch a propaganda campaign of their own, the scope of which has never existed in our earthly history. This woman is gonna take the perfect sounding position on every key issue; she's shown over and again that she's not bound by ANY constraints of truth. The MSM will do everything within its power to make the public believe the illusion.
There's no doubt that we've weakened the MSM. In a little over two years, we'll find out how much.
MM
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