Muslims may sue over cartoons (mohammed cartoons on parade)

Calgary Herald ^ | 2/13/2006 | Emma Poole

[Dark Skies]

The head of Calgary's Muslim community is considering a civil lawsuit against two local publishers for reprinting controversial Danish cartoons of the Prophet Muhammad -- images that have sparked deadly riots overseas.

Syed Soharwardy, president of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada, said the cartoons have caused Muslims in Calgary, and worldwide, unnecessary stress and heartache.

"We are, on Monday, going to see lawyers. We will try to find out if there is a possibility to have a civil lawsuit. That's what we're going to explore," Soharwardy said Sunday.

"We see these cartoons as racist. We see these cartoons as hurtful, and we see these cartoons as against our religion. There has been damages towards the Muslim community for their losing their peace of mind, and creating stress on people's heart."

The Jewish Free Press and Western Standard Magazine, both Calgary-based, are among the first publications in Canada to print the cartoons.

One of the drawings depicts Muhammad wearing a turban in the shape of a bomb.

While copies of Jewish Free Press have been available since last week, Western Standard Magazine is expected to hit newsstands today. Publisher Ezra Levant said the threat of a lawsuit won't deter him.

Levant said the move proves Soharwardy and other Canadian Muslims who are angry over the cartoons don't "understand Canadian values" and freedom of the press.

Around 40,000 issues of Western Standard will be published with the cartoons. The Jewish Free Press, going to 2,000 Calgary homes, ran the images in its Feb. 9 issue.

The Jewish Free Press had the front page headline, "First they came for the cartoonists. . . ." It also featured portraits of Muhammad printed over the past 200 years, including an icon now on sale on the streets of Tehran, Iran.

On page 2, the Jewish Free Press had a selection of the Danish cartoons, including the "Muhammad in a bomb-turban" print.

The Calgary Herald has decided not to publish the drawings.

Jewish Free Press publisher Richard Bronstein said reprinting the cartoons wasn't meant to offend Muslims, but instead to inform the public about the issue.

"When (the cartoons) dominate the world news for that period of time, to be an informed person you have to see what it's all about," said Bronstein.

The paper also published a selection of anti-Semitic cartoons printed in Muslim countries -- like a cartoon of hook-nosed, diabolical Jew tunnelling under Jerusalem's Temple Mount, a holy site to Muslims and Jews.

Bronstein said he will ask a member of Calgary's Muslim community to write a guest column in an upcoming edition. "I'll give them the whole front page," he said.

Bronstein would not comment on the possibility of a lawsuit.

He apologized if he insulted Muslims, but stands by his decision to reprint the cartoons.

Soharwardy refused the apology.

"Jewish Free Press, they knew that it is not acceptable, that it is offensive to Muslims, they knew it. They took a calculated risk and they went ahead," he said. "Their apology is nothing but a hypocrisy -- a preplanned apology and I don't accept their apology."

On Sunday, Soharwardy offered a free seminar on the Prophet Muhammad to members of all faiths.

More than a dozen non-Muslims showed up at the Al-Madinah Calgary Islamic Centre in Falconridge for the two-hour session.

Hal Joffe, a prominent member of Calgary's Jewish community, said he attended to have Soharwardy answer some outstanding questions.

"I was just trying to figure out if it was just Muhammad being portrayed at all or whether it was the particular characterization," Joffe said of the controversy. "It's important to see the context and then to do this and try to find a dialogue and common ground."

[Fred Nerks]

From your link:

"...but supporting a bunch of punks who managed to take time out of their busy day searching for porn on the internet to scribble some lousy cartoons mocking religion seems to be wasted energy..." ----------------------------------------------

Saturday, February 04, 2006 Danish Imam Who Faked Cartoons, Linked to Terror, Cheered 9-11

Imam Ahmad Abu Laban, the man behind this whole Danish cartoon controversy, not only faked obscene cartoons on his trip to the Middle East, but also:

* Entertained the "Blind Sheikh" behind the first World Trade Center attacks * Praised Osama Bin Laden after 9-11 Attacks * Preached he "Shed no tears" after 9-11 Attacks * Accused of giving Political support to Osama bin Laden's network * Accused of giving Financial support to Osama bin Laden's network * Joined with 225 Islamic Radicals to form Global Jihadist Group in 2003 * Said that Theo van Gogh - "Had it coming!" * Called on his flock to Give Their Lives to Global Jihad for Palestinians * Met with Sheikh Qaradawi in Saudi Arabia who has legalized the murder of American soldiers in Iraq

Imam Ahmad Abu Laban, the leader of the Islamic Society of Denmark toured the Middle-East to "create awareness" about the 12 cartoons that were published in Danish newspaper, Jyllands-Posten, on September 30, 2005...

As far as most Western news services are concerned, the cartoons pictured above are the ones creating all of the uproar.

However, the truth is that Imam Ahmad Abu Laban, brought at least 3 additional images, which HAD NEVER been published in any media source. They included a cartoon of Muhammad as a pedophile demon, Muhammed with a pig snout, and a praying Muslim being raped by a dog. The drawings in Jyllands-Posten were harmless compared to these:

http://gatewaypundit.blogspot.com/2006/02/danish-imam-who-faked-cartoons-linked.html

YOU STARTED LATE AND I'M BRINGING YOU UP TO DATE.

ACCORDING TO THE IMAM HERE'S A PICTURE OF MOHAMMAD!

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/1573592/posts

[ktcat]

Fred, You are 100% correct. Much of this was manufactured by Imams trying to use the cartoons months after they were originally published to stir up hate. For all we know, this particular Imam was trying to out-fanaticize a rival Imam to score points with Al-qaeda heirarchy. There may be more Mafia than Moslem at work here. In the end, isn't this religion being used for political purposes with horrific results? If we don't believe that Moslems can live in peace with all the rest of us, then why are we democratizing Iraq (quite successfully) and not simply herding the lot of them into gas chambers? It's precisely because Moslems can live in harmony with others that we are engaged in this at all. Look at our recent success in Iraq. A lot of it has to do with the locals turning on Al-Qaeda and tipping us off about there locations. Are you suggesting that's done by Christians? If you think I'm a troll, then check out the rest of my blog.

[USF]

We aren't at war with Islam,

Islam declared war on us. Do you understand the concept of Darul Harb (house of war)?

If not please read this:

THE AGENDA OF ISLAM - A WAR BETWEEN CIVILIZATIONS

There are more than 1 billion moslems in the world. What percentage of them are strapping on the vests and blowing people up?

Considering around half their populations are oppressed by their own and lack rights (women, ahmadis, shia in KSA etc) a sizeable proportions of their population is too young to act, and many others are simply too poor, trying to earn enough to stay alive, or lack the means to fight, the numbers will reflect this and will always be debatable.

Of those who are stupid enough to admit how they feel to a kuffar pollster, this poll may give you some insight as to how they think:

UK poll: 37% of Muslims in Britain think British Jews are a "legitimate target"

Why do they think this way? Could it be because of Islam??

"Mainstream" Islamic site "Islam Q+A": KILL THE JEWS

Finally, although the Muslims nowadays are in a position of weakness and humiliation – because they have turned away from their religion – and are unable to fight the Jews, take back their stolen lands and impose the rule of Islamic sharee’ah in Palestine, this does not mean that this will always be the case until the end of the world. Things have to change, and one of the indications of this is the hadeeth of the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), who informed us of some things that are to happen in the future. He was supported by Revelation from his Lord; he did not speak of his own whims and desires, but of that which was revealed to him. He said:

“You will fight the Jews and will prevail over them, so that a rock will say, ‘O Muslim! There is Jew behind me, kill him!’” (Reported by Muslim, 2921; al-Bukhaari, 2926).

According to a report narrated by Muslim from Abu Hurayrah, the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The Hour [the Day of Judgement] will not begin until the Muslims fight the Jews and kill them. A Jew will hide behind a rock or a tree, and the rock or tree will say, ‘O Muslim, O slave of Allaah! There is a Jew behind me, come and kill him!’ – except for the gharqad (box thorn), for it is one of the trees of the Jews.” (Reported by Muslim, 2922).

Other British and Pakistani based muslims clarift the true meaning of JIHAD:

...the importance, reward and requirement for the Muslims to perform Jihaad Fi Sabeel Lillah i.e. physical struggle:

...the saying and actions of Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) show that Jihaad definitely is to start (offensive) fighting the kuffar to make the Words of Allah the highest and to propagate (da’wa) the call of Islam. Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) said:

"I have been ordered to fight the people until they bear witness that, ‘there is no god but Allah and Muhammad is His Messenger’ and they establish the prayer and the zakat. And if they do this, then from me is protected their blood and their wealth except by the right granted by Allah."

As for his (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) actions, they are full of actions that show Jihaad is to start the fighting. So when he went out to Badr to take the caravan belonging to the Quraysh, this was going out to fight, this is offensive – as Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) initiated the action before the Quraysh. Likewise, when Muhammad (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) invaded Hawazin in the battle of Hunayn, when he (Salalahu Alaihi Wasallam) seiged Ta’if and the battle of Mutah to fight the Romans and the Battle of Tabuk – all of these are evidences to show that Jihaad is to start fighting kuffar (offensive). This should clarify the erroneous view that in origin Jihaad is defensive...

If this were 1917, then the logical conclusion would be that Christianity is the religon of psychopathic maniacs.

How is this the "logical conclusion?" Do you think the same should be true for WWII? Were the great powers of the west fighting each other for Christ? Did the gunners on allied warships blast the enemy to death screaming "Jesus akhbar?"

You see the acts, but do not take into consideration the motivations behind the acts.

[Dark Skies]

Please consider this...the One that created you loves you more than you can imagine. He also loves all His creation similarly.

If your religion is based on hatred, ask yourself...why would God be a God of hate. You are at a fork in the road. Who do you trust? A being that hates...or Your Father who loves you.

Allah demands your submission...God/Jesus wants your love. And He wants to tell you that he loves you. He loves you more than you can imagine...but you must choose.

"Seek and you shall find."

[Fred Nerks]

Right, you get to live on FR for another five minutes, LOL! It's islam that's on my hitlist, not all muslims, who are after all's said, the major victims!

Being required to emulate a warlord, a pillager, a pirate, a mass murdering killer - purveyed by islam as devine and sinless, the most perfect man on earth since then and forever is bound to turn a few heads toward terrorism!

Of course all mohammadans aren't running around with swords beheading their neighbours, some are too old, too sick, to young or too weak and cowardly; but all of them have it beaten into their thick skulls to see mohammad as a man who could do no wrong, and this was the result:

Jihad against Arabs (622 to 634)

The Jihad against Zoroastrian Persians of Iran, Baluchistan and Afghanistan (634 to 651)

The Jihad against the Byzantine Christians (634 to 1453)

The Jihad against Christian Coptic Egyptians (640 to 655)

The Jihad against Christian Coptic Nubians - modern Sudanese (650)

The Jihad against pagan Berbers - North Africans (650 to 700)

The Jihad against Spaniards (711 to 730)

The Reconquista against Jihad in Spain (730 to 1492)

The Jihad against Franks - modern French (720 to 732)

The Jihad against Sicilians in Italy (812 to 940)

The Jihad against Chinese (751)

The Jihad against Turks (651 to 751)

The Jihad against Armenians and Georgians (1071 to 1920)

The Crusade against Jihad (1096 – 1291 ongoing)

The Jihad against Mongols (1260 to 1300)

The Jihad against Hindus of India, Pakistan and Bangladesh (638 to 1857)

The Jihad against Indonesians and Malays (1450 to 1500)

The Jihad against Poland (1444 to 1699)

The Jihad against Rumania (1350 to 1699)

The Jihad against Russia (1500 to 1853)

The Jihad against Bulgaria (1350 to 1843)

The Jihad against Serbs, Croats and Albanians (1334 to 1920)

The Jihad against Greeks (1450 to 1853)

The Jihad against Albania (1332 - 1853)

The Jihad against Croatia (1389 to 1843)

The Jihad against Hungarians (1500 to 1683)

The Jihad against Austrians (1683)

Jihad in the Modern Age (20th and 21st Centuries)

The Jihad against Israelis (1948 – 2004 ongoing)

The Jihad against Americans (9/11/2001)

The Jihad against the British (1947 onwards)

The Jihad against the Germans (1945 onwards)

The Jihad against the Indians (1947 onwards)

The Jihad against the Filipinos in Mindanao(1970 onwards)

The Jihad against Indonesian Christians in Malaku and East Timor (1970 onwards)

The Jihad against Russians (1995 onwards)

The Jihad against Dutch and Belgians (2003 onwards)

The Jihad against Norwegians and Swedes (2003 onwards)

The Jihad against Thais (2003 onwards)

The Jihad against Nigerians (1965 onwards)

The Jihad against Canadians (2001 onwards)

The Jihad against Latin America (2003 onwards)

The Jihad against Australia (2002 onwards)

The Global Jihad today (2001 – ongoing)

The War on Terror against Jihad today (2001– ongoing)


The Vision for the post-Islamic (and post-religious) world...

http://www.historyofjihad.org/

[Fred Nerks]

1917? What is the significance? WW1 was 1914-1918.

1917 Was the 'glorious bolshevik revolution' ...

[USF]

It's precisely because Moslems can live in harmony with others that we are engaged in this at all.

The question in my mind is not about muslims, but how true islam can co-exist with other faiths, as it would depend on how much of it's rules (sharia - blasphemy, dhimmitude etc) are introduced or are in conflict with civil codes.

When they introduce elements of sharia in their nations or call for it in the west to protect "blasphemy," bear in mind what they consider blasphemy and "offensive to islam":

Koran, (YUSUFALI)

005.017: In blasphemy indeed are those that say that Allah is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against Allah, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every - one that is on the earth? For to Allah belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For Allah hath power over all things."

005.051 : O ye who believe! take not the Jews and the Christians for your friends and protectors: They are but friends and protectors to each other. And he amongst you that turns to them (for friendship) is of them. Verily Allah guideth not a people unjust.

005.072 YUSUFALI: They do blaspheme who say: "Allah is Christ the son of Mary." But said Christ: "O Children of Israel! worship Allah, my Lord and your Lord." Whoever joins other gods with Allah,- Allah will forbid him the garden, and the Fire will be his abode. There will for the wrong-doers be no one to help.

005.073 : They do blaspheme who say: Allah is one of three in a Trinity: for there is no god except One Allah. If they desist not from their word (of blasphemy), verily a grievous penalty will befall the blasphemers among them.

009.030 : The Jews call 'Uzair a son of Allah, and the Christians call Christ the son of Allah. That is a saying from their mouth; (in this) they but imitate what the unbelievers of old used to say. Allah's curse be on them: how they are deluded away from the Truth!

Slippery slope into dhimmitude... Next they'll be asking for an increase in payments of jizra from the dhimmis as non-payment will "offend" them and more rioting will follow, and then move onto making new demands so we can fit in to their world view...

MEMRI, September 26, 2002

Al-Rahmah mosque in Mecca, Sheikh Marzouq Salem Al-Ghamdi spoke against interreligious harmony:

"For some time, we have been hearing calls for bringing the religions together, and for unification of the religions. This call is aimed at uniting falsehood with truth, good with abomination… The Jews and Christians are infidels, enemies of Allah, his Messenger, and the believers. They deny and curse Allah and his Messenger… How can we draw near to these infidels?… They deny even the messengers sent to them. They do not believe in Moses, they do not believe in Jesus - because if they really believed in them, they would join Islam, because every prophet heralded to his nation the coming of the Prophet Muhammad and the need to believe in him …"

"If the infidels live among the Muslims, in accordance with the conditions set out by the Prophet -there is nothing wrong with it provided they pay Jizya to the Islamic treasury.Other conditions are… that they do not renovate a church or a monastery, do not rebuild ones that were destroyed, that they feed for three days any Muslim who passes by their homes… that they rise when a Muslim wishes to sit, that they do not imitate Muslims in dress and speech, nor ride horses, nor own swords, nor arm themselves with any kind of weapon; that they do not sell wine, do not show the cross, do not ring church bells, do not raise their voices during prayer, that they shave their hair in front so as to make them easily identifiable, do not incite anyone against the Muslims, and do not strike a Muslim… If they violate these conditions, they have no protection."

Note this is no maverick, he's a State approved imam in one of islams holiest places.

If we don't believe that Moslems can live in peace with all the rest of us, then why are we democratizing Iraq (quite successfully)

Attempting to exploit the many divisions within the ummah and helping turn the course of the civil war within islam to our (and their own) long term advantage, perhaps?

Do you understand what the self declared "true believers" believe islam is destined for? The ummah splitting into 73 sects only one being true, the others 72 apostates to be sent into the fire? The ideological reasoning behind their inter sect wars from the time of the Khawarij splintering off. Nobody gets muslims killed better than their own.

and not simply herding the lot of them into gas chambers?

Say what? I knew it wouldn't be long before someone invoked something that relates to Nazis as a last resort to try and prop up a weak argument. *sigh*

Note to all, you simply must stop taking debating tips from the likes of Dave Barry:

How to Win Arguments, As It Were

(see the end of that article)

[Fred Nerks]

You never win arguments talking like that. But you WILL win if you say: ``Let me put it this way. In terms of appetizers vis-a-vis Peruvians qua Peruvians, they would like to order them more often, so to speak, but they do not have enough money per se, as it were. Q.E.D.''

ROTFLMBO!!!! I HAVE TEARS IN MY EYES. THE DESK IS SHAKING. THE MONITOR TREMBLES, MY CAT HAS RUN AWAY...

[A CA Guy]

How do they sue against the freedom of the press?

[A CA Guy]

Can counter suites against all the anti-Jewish and anti-Christian things be brought into the litigation back for fun and profit?

[kalee]

Do you think Court TV will cover the trial? Will they show the cartoons?

[Fred Nerks]

[ktcat]

Fred,

Yes, I confess! I'm a Bolshevik! A troll! Mein fuhrer, Herr Dean, I salute you!

Errr, maybe not.

1917 was one particular year during The Great War. I could have chosen 1916, for that was the year of the Somme.

Check out the recruiting posters of the era as well as the speeches. "We are the army of God! They are the unfaithful!" It was on both sides. One can only conclude that Christians are insane, right? No, of course not.

I work with many Marines. I have good friends in I MEF. Most of them have a deep respect for their Iraqi counterparts, Moslems all. I heard an Army colonel give a talk at a recent conference. He got choked up when he spoke of the Iraqi soldiers who had given their lives protecting Americans.

[USF]

Heheh... I thought you would get a kick out of that article. I must try it out in a social occasion sometime when I have ensured his first prerequisite (Drink liquor) is well taken care of.

I have a perfect liberal of the "I argue not because I know any facts, but I just feeeel this way and thus default to moral equivalence and stupidity" persuasion in mind.

If I cant get any intelligence out of liberals I may as well have some fun with them instead and see how far this can go.... ;o)

[TheLion]

"we see these cartoons as against our religion."

Wrong! It is a cult....maybe a court suit will bring this out!

[Centurion2000]

Syed Soharwardy, president of the Islamic Supreme Council of Canada, said the cartoons have caused Muslims in Calgary, and worldwide, unnecessary stress and heartache.

This guy has the wrong name. Syed Cowardly is a little more accurate.

[SauronOfMordor]

Sections 318 and 319 of the Criminal Code make it a criminal offence to: advocate genocide, publicly incite hatred, wilfully promote hatred, against an "identifible" group. Muslims are such a group.

I wonder if registered members of the Conservative Party can argue that they're an "identifiable group", and sue any Lefty that says anything negative about them

[JABBERBONK]

"The Prophet didn't strap semtex to his body and blow anybody up"...Correct the Prophet only murdered his enemies, plundered, and lusted after a 6 yr old, then raped her at 9 yrs........try reading a Koran, and the Hadiths before you make such an asinine post.

[SauronOfMordor]

The Prophet didn't strap semtex to his body and blow anybody up.

No, he just went around robbing caravans, having sex with 9 year old girls, raping women whose husbands and families he'd just killed, and ordering wholesale mass murder of anybody who opposed his agenda

Other than that, Mad Mo was a sweet guy