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Portland(OR) officer sues Glock for millions
Oregonlive ^ | 2/8/06 | Ashbel S. Green

Posted on 02/08/2006 9:23:25 PM PST by DuckFan4ever

A Portland Police officer who was injured while firing a handgun has filed a multi-million-dollar lawsuit against the manufacturers of the gun and the ammunition.

Officer Florin B. Pirv was taking a qualification test in March 2004 with a .45 caliber Glock 21 when the “breech/cartridge feed ramp fractured, causing backward propulsion of hot gases, hot air, and shrapnel to be blown into Pirv’s face, body, and hands,” according to the suit.

The lawsuit names Glock and two ammunition-makers, Federal Cartridge Company and Alliant Technosystems, also known as ATK. Glock is based in Georgia. The ammunition-makers are based in Minnesota.

None returned phone calls and emails seeking comment.

Pirv was one of two Portland officers injured while firing .45-caliber Glocks in March 2004, prompting Portland Police Chief Derrick Foxworth to order the recall of the weapons carried by 230 officers.

The bureau replaced them with 9mm Glocks.

Pirv’s suit seeks $50,000 in compensatory damages, $3 million for pain and suffering and $50 million in punitive damages.

Pirv is assigned to a patrol shift, according to a Portland Police spokeswoman.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Oregon
KEYWORDS: bang; banglist; bradywatch; donutwatch; glock; oregon; portland
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To: ExSoldier

Yeah I use RBCD too at work, awesome .......getting shot with a bowling ball has gotta hurt !......:o)


141 posted on 02/09/2006 8:27:59 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But, have a plan to kill everyone you meet. ©)
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To: BigCinBigD
If i recall , the Glock manual also recommends not using reloads, either.

CC

142 posted on 02/09/2006 8:30:52 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Billy Tauzin about Louisiana: "half the state is under water, the other half is under indictment")
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To: DuckFan4ever

Is he suing the Portland Police station too? Doesn't the department choose the standard weapon choice for their officers?


143 posted on 02/09/2006 8:32:27 AM PST by hattend
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To: 1035rep
after some investigation into this incident they found that he had modified the gun with a ported barrel but left the same slide on the gun that did not have the port holes for the gases to escape.

If true, That is considered: A. contributory negligence, and: B. voids the factory warranty.

CC

144 posted on 02/09/2006 8:34:24 AM PST by Celtic Conservative (Billy Tauzin about Louisiana: "half the state is under water, the other half is under indictment")
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To: saganite
Good morning.
"They should be carrying 1911's."

How are the cops going to negligently discharge their weapons if they have a gun with a safety?

How are they going to miss or fail to kill their intended target 15 times if they only have eight rounds in the magazine?

Michael Frazier
145 posted on 02/09/2006 8:37:11 AM PST by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: Hammerhead
Glock should be sued on general principle for making a confusing to operate, plastic POS in the first place.

Oh please, Glocks are just about the most reliable handguns on the market - they go BANG every time you pull the trigger, and they have survived every torture test you can imagine.

And I am not a Glock owner, BTW. The only reason I don't own a Glock is that it's not as comfortable in my hand as the SIG that I do own, another gun that ranks right at the top in the total reliability column.

Any gun will go Ka Boom if someone who doesn't know what the hell he's doing tinkers with it, or if you use super hot ammunition that exceeds the maximum pressure the gun can handle.

146 posted on 02/09/2006 8:37:16 AM PST by CFC__VRWC ("Anytime a liberal squeals in outrage, an angel gets its wings!" - gidget7)
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To: BraveMan

Cheeseheads are everywhere and manage to get on juries quite frequently. They can make some very poor decisions based more on emotion than evidence.


147 posted on 02/09/2006 8:37:58 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Celtic Conservative
That reminds me of a Glock I once had. It was a 17L and had the long slide with a port in the slide, however the barrel was solid all the way out.

I needed money back around 1990 and put it on a table at a gun show. A couple of guys from the "Gulf Breeze Pistol Parlor" looked at it a couple of times. After about an hour, they came back and bought it. They clearly thought it was unusual. I don't know if it really was or not.

148 posted on 02/09/2006 8:40:20 AM PST by yarddog
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To: Tijeras_Slim
Thanks for the compliments, 'Slim. Good shooting!
149 posted on 02/09/2006 8:41:02 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: brazzaville
Yeah... at least with a 1911 they can enjoy all the finicky eating habits, stove pipes, and FTF's that the rest of the .45 ACP community puts up with.

Springfield XD in .45 ACP. Sig Saur P220. Both are highly shootable, easy to maintain, and reliable. Comparatively affordable unless you've got a thousand+ you wanna toss down on a Kimber CCII that'll jam up if your LOA is off by .005".

150 posted on 02/09/2006 8:41:34 AM PST by Dead Corpse (I believe that all government is evil, and that trying to improve it is largely a waste of time.)
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To: brazzaville

One reason they don't generally use the 1911 is because of the rash of "accidental discharges" that went around in the 60s-70s period. Lots of idiots used to carry the weapon cocked and unlocked, trusting to the grip safety.

Sound familiar?


151 posted on 02/09/2006 8:42:24 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Forgot to say that I use the pic of my niece as a tease. I tell people to go look at the pretty girl on my homepage. If they do they have to look at the other pictures first.


152 posted on 02/09/2006 8:44:05 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Spktyr
The only ND I have ever had was with a 1911. I was 18 and was lowering the hammer on a live round. The hammer slipped and the gun fired.

I still have a little scar on the tip of my thumb where either the slide or hammer cut it. Fortunately the barrel was pointed at the ground.

I am actually glad it happpened as it taught me a lesson I will never forget.

153 posted on 02/09/2006 8:45:37 AM PST by yarddog
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To: rightwinggoth
Right you are. But, if you remember back during the fight to pass it, the anti's screamed that it would be impossible to sue a gun company if it passed.

As can be seen here, defective product can in fact be subject to litigation contrary to the anti's propaganda.

This does look like defective product or perhaps incorrect ammunition being used.

Regards
154 posted on 02/09/2006 8:45:53 AM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: Supernatural
You're correct. Alliant Tech Systems is a parent company and now owns the entire sporting division of Blount Inc.

That was RCBS, CCI, Outers, Weaver, etc. Alliant Tech also purchased Hercules Powder Company some years back.

Blount had purchased Federal Cartridge company sometime before there subsequent sale to Alliant. So now it is owned by Alliant. Alliant is also a big defense contractor which makes among other things, rounds for the Abrams tank.
155 posted on 02/09/2006 8:51:27 AM PST by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: OldSmaj

"You're saying that someone such as myself, ... can't be expected to not say anything adverse against any particular gun manufactured today?"

No, but I would expect that whatever you do say, if it's picked up by a reporter, will not end up looking like what it was when you said it.

FR is very popular these days, and our friends and foes have been known to quote from here.

There are some people here who trot out "plastic gun" every time a Glock is mentioned; never mind that here the shooter used ammunition which Glock said not to use. Even were the gun faulty, "plastic" had nothing to do with the situation whatsoever.

In other threads people have trashed a particular gun when the situation was actually that the wielder pointed it in an inappropriate direction (at his own foot) and pulled the trigger.

So no, I don't expect people to withhold their opinion! But I do expect that whatever they say ought to have some vague relation to the actual facts at hand.


156 posted on 02/09/2006 8:54:16 AM PST by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: headstamp

I used to burn up lots of Hercules 2400 powder in a .44 mag and bought it by the five pound can.

Used a lot of Unique in autos.

I always liked their powders.


157 posted on 02/09/2006 8:56:13 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Supernatural

She looks very classy. Especially in contrast to us worn out old gun nuts. :)


158 posted on 02/09/2006 8:58:27 AM PST by Tijeras_Slim
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To: No.6

I was in a gun shop near Meadville, PA, about 1997. The owner of the shop was telling me about a visit he had from a Glock salesman. The guy had a test gun with him. They tied the Glock by the trigger guard to the bumper of a pickup truck and dragged it around on the road and through the gravel driveway. Ran over it. Jumped up and down on it. Threw it up in the air and hit it with a baseball bat.

And it still worked.


159 posted on 02/09/2006 8:59:32 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

She's still young. Plenty of time left for her to get fat.


160 posted on 02/09/2006 9:00:13 AM PST by Supernatural (All the truth in the world adds up to one big lie! bob dylan)
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