Hello, OIlLine Rebel.
Posted on 01/26/2006 12:00:29 PM PST by iPod Shuffle
11-Month-Old Girl Loses Her Ear To A Pit Bull
(CBS) PALMDALE, Calif. An 11-month-old girl was in stable condition Wednesday but doctors were unable to reattach her ear that had been torn off when she was attacked by a pit bull, according to a Palmdale police lieutenant.
The girl was attacked by a 3- to 4-year-old male pit bull terrier at a home in the 2900 block of East Avenue R-13 about 1 p.m. Monday, according to the Antelope Valley Press.
The girl's injuries were mostly around her face, including a detached ear. That ear was shipped to UCLA Medical Center where doctors were going to try to reattach it, but were unable to, according to Lt. Don Ford of the Palmdale Station.
The infant was with her aunt who had gone to visit friends. The dog, who had had no problem with the girl on previous visits, attacked her without provocation. There had been no previous problems with the dog, Ford said.
The animal was euthanized at the Lancaster Animal Shelter.
I don't blame Golden Retrievers for aggression. I do blame them for (selfish) dopiness. You'll see in there I believe the dog was untrained ("he's so nice he doesn't need training") and poorly behaved.
The lesson from that should be that ALL dogs are dangerous and should be RESPECTED as such, esp. by seriously training them, regardless of their nature or physical capabilities.
I swear it's my observation that horse people better truly respect horses than "dog" people respect all dogs. Horses are recognized for being possibly dangerous - DESPITE the fact they are herbivores w/o any interest in eating humans.
Well, at least some1 finally pointed out they weren't JUST for DOG fights. They were for BULLS too (and a nastier animal you'll never meet!).
Which may indicate they won't discriminate much between species.
Aggression without discrimination... just what I want around the place ;~D
I thought you'd agree, and I thought your story about the Rott in a harness might have been too subtle ;~D
Wait wait wait. . .
That's a pinch collar.
I have weimaraners -- we use those same collars. They are far more humane than choke chains. They do *not* hurt. I put one on my arm and pulled -- I wanted to see. It's literally a pinch.
The "traditional" choke chains can cause major damage to the dog. These don't. My dogs hear the jingle and come running -- it means walk time! hehe
Yeah thats me ole subtle Ditter. (not usually) LOL! That Rott in the harness could have pulled a cart with BOTH of his owners in it at about 20 mph. Isn't that one thing they were bred to do?
It's one of the things they've been bred to do. They are also sometimes used as a drover/herder, so there is some herding instinct in there somewhere, and of course protection of property, so they're territorial and bold.
They're not a dog with a real specialized following, which is why they are kindof all over the board on temperament. They're all over the board on what people want out of them.
Choke chains do not cause major damage. Not when used properly, which is jerking very fast a *few times* when they are young being trained.
Meanwhile, aren't you not supposed to pull hard *at all* on a prong collar? Exactly cuz you don't need to; a little effort is very effective. Problem w/that is just like everything else. People want to pull hard on it because it's a natural (NOT because "that's what they do w/chokes" - so many people obviously eschew chokes as they do prongs), esp. in a desperate situation, and the prongs will stick into the dog when used hard - which WILL happen in tough situations. It's not a good every-day wear item.
(It's not just your post, but many making similar statements about chokes.)
Chokes are the only every-day wear collar that doesn't in itself hurt the dog, tells the dog he better stop it now when it has to be applied, doesn't require in the heat of a desperate moment that you try to restrain your strength while your adrenaline is up or you'll really hurt the dog, and in desperate moment on a lead, doesn't allow the dog to slip out and run free into the path of a 2-ton car (yes, this very scenario killed our GS Grand Victor a few years ago, only months after he had won the breed honors), and doesn't wholesale choke the dog's entire throat front when pulled hard (a`la plain old boring ID collars).
And if you want anecdotes, I'll just say my 2 GS have had chokes all their lives (1 died at 11), and have/had no such problems as are always cited by anti-chokers. Never mind that tons of Schutzhund people have their dogs wear chokers just as a matter of course - not just training times. Neither have various dogs I've known who habitually wear chokers had any "throat" or "eye-popping" issues. Such are probably merely anecdotal themselves, constituting a tiny % of those who wear them, and perhaps any actual technical damage is usually so minor as to be unimportant.
But you seemed to be saying that you wanted pit bull extermination, which to me is not really much better than breed legislation.
WHAT? NO! You're trying to read between the lines and failing.
Just because I recognize that "pit bulls" tend to be unreliable, doesn't mean I want all (real or not) pb's killed OR "banned".
That is like saying you want all Moslems banned or executed because a whole LOT of them hate us and want US dead. I am not of that ilk. Either for the people or the dogs.
Because while I recognize groups/types DO have tendencies, I also recognize individuals are different and vary. None of these are machines that are truly "hard-wired" to do XX. Things differ amongst individuals.
....SOUNDED like. ....SOUNDED like. ....SOUNDED like...
"You're thinking along the lines of killers who are "crazy" vs. those who are just plain...killers. My feeling is the result is the same - so execute them all. I don't care if the person or dog..."
Read that portion again. I think it's pretty clear I'm talking about *INDIVIDUALS* WHO ACTUALLY KILLED.
Well, then, you should make it more clear next time. It's not my fault it sounded like you said that. I can't do anything about it. I can't go back in time and tell you to make it more clear before you say something so that I can have a better understanding of what it is you're trying to say.
Whatever.
Hellooo...Neuman. ;-)
Sorry. But you are my "Newman" now.
(Shaking fist, gritting teeth..."OlLine Rebel.")
"They don't 'excel' as a breed, in any of these sports...
and they can't pull as much as a Malamute or a Greater Swiss"
The popular sport of weight pulling is open to all breeds, but especially suits dogs bred for draft work, such as the Saint Bernard, Greater Swiss Mountain Dog, Alaskan Malamute, and Samoyed. Weight pulling also attracts owners of physically powerful breeds such as the American Pit Bull Terrier and the American Bull Dog.
http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=2198&S=1&SourceID=47
I have seen weight pull competitions at ADBA dog shows, and the dogs are able to pull much greater amounts of weight. The "sled" is on wheels which rolls across a track like a railroad car. The dog can only pull in one direction, and there is no need to break the sled free. But once it starts rolling, there is a definite advantage in going smoothly with the forward momentum, and not letting the sled stop. I have seen Pit Bulls pull weights upwards of 1,000 pounds easily this way, whereas the winter weight pulls often max out at around 800 pounds.
http://www.dogscouts.com/weightpull.shtml
Weight pulling is a dog sport involving a dog pulling a cart or sled loaded with weight a short distance across grass, carpet, or snow. Many breeds participate in this sport, with dogs being separated into classes by weight. Sleddog and pit bull breeds excel within their respective weight classes, having been historically bred to pull sleds and plows, respectively.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_pulling
Dog's Name Owner's Name Dog's Breed Weight Class Order Pulled Dog's weight Weight Pulled Time Pulled (Sec.) X Dog's Weight Event Points
Cat Bonacorsi Pit Bull C-100 39 96 1400 15.24 14.6 23
Cash Russell Malamute C-100 46 90 1200 6.18 13.3 22
Kali Weiman Akita C-100 47 96 1200 8.85 12.5 21
Hoover Shepherd Makenzie Rvr C-100 38 88 1000 6.09 11.4 20
Sprite Russell Malamute C-100 55 88 1000 6.55 11.34 19
http://www.tsamc.org/tsamc/past_years/9899/dells_results.html
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I answered you on your terms. But the fact is your logic is preposterous. 90% of all dog breeds should be eliminated if the criteria is being "the best" or excelling at anything.
But the fact is that Pit Bulls do excell.
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