[Ditter]

I completely agree these collars and regular choke collars are not cruel but are a valuable tool in training your dog to obey.

In about 1983 I got my first Rhodesian Ridgeback. He was bigger than most RRs and at 1 year weighed almost 90 pounds. 120 pounds at maturity. I took him to "puppy school" to learn how to handle him because he was STRONG but he didn't have a mean bone in his body.

The first thing they said at puppy school was he HAD TO HAVE a choke collar and a 5'leather leash. They recommend the pinch collar if the choke collar wasn't enough.

The choke chain collar turned out to be enough for Odie and he learned his lessons like the smart boy that he was. He lived to be 13 years old and was the love of my life, I still miss him.

[HairOfTheDog]

I thought you'd agree, and I thought your story about the Rott in a harness might have been too subtle ;~D