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Sunday Morning Talk Show Thread 22 January 2006
Various big media television networks ^ | 22 January 2006 | Various Self-Serving Politicians and Big Media Screaming Faces

Posted on 01/22/2006 5:21:05 AM PST by Alas Babylon!

The Talk Shows



Sunday, January 22nd, 2006

Guests to be interviewed today on major television talk shows:

FOX NEWS SUNDAY (Fox Network): Sens. John McCain, R-Ariz., and Richard Durbin, D-Ill.; University of Maryland's men's basketball coach Gary Williams.

MEET THE PRESS (NBC): Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.

FACE THE NATION (CBS): Sens. Pat Roberts, R-Kan., and Joe Lieberman, D-Conn.

THIS WEEK (ABC): John Kerry, D-Mass.; Reps. Peter Hoekstra, R-Mich., and Jane Harman, D-Calif., chairman and ranking Democrat of the House Intelligence Committee; actor Gary Sinise.

LATE EDITION (CNN) : Sens. George Allen, R-Va., and Charles Schumer, D-N.Y.; Pakistani Prime Minister Shaukat Aziz; formerUnited Nations Ambassador Richard Holbrooke; former Secretary of State Lawrence Eagleburger; South Korean Foreign Minister Ban Ki-moon.


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To: Alas Babylon!

I am late to this thread, church and family obligations, but once again I see many dems appearing, as though they remain in power, which, given the unfortunate power of the media, I guess they do...


461 posted on 01/22/2006 10:54:14 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: mewzilla
It's one thing if you want to make jokes about your own ethnic group. Hillary wasn't making jokes about WASPs.

Or lesbians.

462 posted on 01/22/2006 10:57:31 AM PST by Alas Babylon!
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To: STARWISE

Kerry reminds of the brother in law who has stayed too long and you want to leave so you can go to bed. There is just no graceful way to say that he is annoying and you don't want him around anymore.

It's almost funny to watch the Democrats have to deal with this guy. They can't just tell him to go take a hike - after all this is the guy they nominated in 2004, but they all want him to go away.


463 posted on 01/22/2006 10:58:33 AM PST by Friend of the Friendless (R-Illinois)
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To: lawdude

"Matthews says Abramoff is the biggest scandal for republicans since Watergate"

I think the Dims convenientl forget about this. Quite frankly, I didn't remember all the details until while searching for something else, found this:

China's theft of nuclear secrets



Posted: March 17, 1999
1:00 a.m. Eastern


By Sen. James Inhofe
© 1999 WorldNetDaily.com

Mr. President, I want you to listen. I am going to tell you a story of espionage, conspiracy, deception and cover-up -- a story with life and death implications for millions of Americans -- a story about national security and a President and an administration that deliberately chose to put national security at risk, while telling the people everything was fine.

If it was written in a book, it wouldn't sell, because no one would believe it. If it was fictionalized in a novel, few could conceive it. But it is true.

Now for the sake of my statement today, I am stating that the President withheld information and covered up the Chinese theft of our technology. But I'm realistic enough to know that a person with the history of deception this president has will have provided himself with some cover in case he gets caught. So I'm sure there is a paper trail that he can allege. The way the President probably covered himself was to include tidbits about this theft buried in briefings on 40 or 50 other items, so the significance of it would not be noticed. But a paper trail would be established.

Anticipating that, I talked to the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, Rep. Porter Goss, and the Chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time of the discovery of this information, Sen. Arlen Specter. Neither chairman was notified of the "W-88" nuclear warhead technology theft. And these would have been the first to be notified. There can be no doubt that President Clinton engaged in a cover up scheme.

Let me read three paragraphs from last week's op-ed article by Michael Kelly in the Washington Post, entitled "Lies About China."


In April 1996, Energy Department officials informed Samuel Berger, then Clinton's deputy national security advisor, that Notra Trulock, the department's chief of intelligence, had uncovered evidence that showed China had learned how to miniaturize nuclear bombs, allowing for smaller, more lethal warheads. ...
The Times reports that the House Intelligence Committee asked Trulock for a briefing in July 1998. Trulock asked for permission from Elizabeth Moler, then acting energy secretary. According to Trulock, Moler told him not to brief the committee because the information might be used against Clinton's China policy. ...

The White House's secret would have remained secret had it not been for a select investigative committee headed by Republican Christopher Cox. ...


But even using the President's fictitious paper trail, the earliest either chairman could have known about it would have been late spring of 1997, years after the Clinton administration learned of it and, of course, after the 1996 elections.
I start, Mr. President, by listing a few things which we now know to be true, factual, incontrovertible -- and not classified.

For years, the Clinton administration covered up China's theft of top secret U.S. nuclear weapons data. They never informed the Congress or American people about what had happened or its significance to our national security.

Let me tell you what President Clinton did during this period of time:

During this period of time, the President misled the American people on numerous occasions about the threat posed by strategic nuclear missiles in the post cold war era.

During this period of time, President Clinton made statements on over 130 separate occasions, such as the following: "For the first time since the dawn of the nuclear age, there is not a single solitary nuclear missile pointed at an American child tonight. Not one. Not a single one."

During this period of time, he knew that China was targeting up to 18 intercontinental ballistic missiles at American children.

During this period of time, President Clinton signed export control waivers which allowed his top campaign fundraisers' aerospace company to transfer sensitive U.S. missile guidance technology to China.

During this period of time, he shifted the prime satellite export responsibility from the State Department to the Commerce Department, making it easier for China and others to get sensitive military-related U.S. technology.

During this period of time, President Clinton hosted over 100 White House fundraisers as part of a larger aggressive scheme to raise campaign contributions, many from illegal foreign sources, primarily including sources in China. Among guests permitted to attend these White House fundraisers were a convicted felon and a Chinese arms dealer.

During this period of time, John Huang, Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung, James Riady and others with strong ties to China were deeply involved, with the President's knowledge, in raising Chinese-tainted campaign cash for the Clinton campaign.

During this period of time, John Huang, who had been given a security clearance without a background check, was permitted to receive numerous classified CIA briefings, both during and after his stay at the Commerce Department.

And during this period of time, President Clinton was successfully stopping the deployment of a national missile defense system, exposing every American life to a missile attack, leaving us with no defense against an intercontinental ballistic missile.
Mr. President, China's theft of secret data on the so-called "W-88" nuclear warhead may be one of the most serious breaches of national security in our lifetimes. ... More serious than Aldrich Ames. Perhaps more serious than the Rosenbergs.

The public needs to understand that this story is true. This is not about partisanship. This is not about some ancient history of some long-gone Cold War.

This is about the real world here and now. This is about national security in its most important aspects. This is about protecting our freedom and our existence as a nation. This is ultimately a matter which concerns the life and death of every citizen.

The W-88 is the most advanced nuclear warhead in the U.S. arsenal and is carried on top of Trident SLBMs (submarine-launched ballistic missiles).

This is the cornerstone weapon of our nation's nuclear deterrent. As many as eight of them can fit atop our submarine-launched missiles. As many as ten can be put atop our largest land-based missiles ... or on China's land based missiles.

We are talking about a miniaturized warhead -- much smaller in size than the Hiroshima atom bomb but ten times more powerful.

As you can see from the chart, which appeared in The New York Times, March 6, 1999, the Hiroshima bomb was huge and unwieldy. It was 10 and a half feet long and weighed over 4 tons -- 8,900 pounds.

By contrast, the modern W-88 warhead is compact. It is only 2 and a half feet long and weighs only 300 pounds, but is at least 10 times more powerful.

The technology on which it is built is super top secret and represents billions of dollars and years, if not decades, of investment on the part of dedicated scientists and engineers working in the supreme American national interest.

Some might ask why does America have this weapon? Because it is part of our responsibility as a world superpower to have the most advanced, efficient and credible nuclear deterrent, not only to protect our own freedom, but that of our allies as well.

It is part of our policy of "peace through strength." While we do not intend to ever use nuclear weapons, it is a fact of life in a dangerous world that we must be prepared to deter any potential adversary and any potential weapon any adversary may have.

The W-88 allows for multiple warheads to be placed on one missile. With this technology, China will now be able to put up to ten warheads on a single long-range missile. Each warhead targeted at a different city. Each city subject to an explosion 10 times as great as that which destroyed Hiroshima at the end of WWII.

You know, Mr. President, I'm from Oklahoma. In 1995, a 4,800-pound truck bomb exploded outside the Murrah Federal Office Building in Oklahoma City. The building was destroyed, 168 people were killed, and 674 were wounded. This was a horrible event, the worst act of terrorism ever on American soil. That bomb had a force of 1,000 pounds (one-half of one ton) of TNT.

By way of contrast, the Hiroshima atom bomb had an explosive force of 15 kilotons (or 30,000 times as large as the Oklahoma City bomb). The W-88, while smaller in physical size, has a force of 150 kilotons (or 300,000 times as large as the Oklahoma City bomb). And by carrying 10 of these on one missile, 3 million times the force of the Oklahoma City bomb.

The more compact W-88 warhead makes possible what is called MIRV (multiple independent reentry vehicle) technology, something China was thought to be many, many years away from developing on its own. And they stole this technology and President Clinton covered it up.

We also used to think North Korea was many years away from building long range multiple-stage rockets.

Listen, Mr. President: On August 24 last year, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Gen. Henry Shelton, wrote me a letter saying he was confident we would have 3 years' warning of any new long range missile threat. Seven days later, on August 31, North Korea launched a three-stage Taepo Dong I missile, that scattered a small payload off the coast of Alaska.

All of this only confirms what the Rumsfeld Report explained to us last year. We remember the Rumsfeld Commission which was chaired by former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld. This bipartisan commission, appointed jointly by Republicans and Democrats, included nine of the nation's most distinguished, qualified and informed experts in the field of assessing foreign missile threats. They concluded unanimously that when it comes to advanced missiles and weapons, with countries willing to buy, sell and steal technology, "we live in an environment of little or no warning." Which means we must immediately be prepared.

Last year, you may remember how it was revealed that the Clinton Administration had changed the approval process for high technology satellite transfers -- and how waivers were granted for American companies so they could launch satellites in China. This ultimately resulted in China acquiring advanced U.S. missile guidance technology, making their missiles more accurate and more reliable. President Clinton personally signed the waiver allowing China to acquire this missile technology. Let me repeat: President Clinton personally signed the waiver allowing China to acquire this missile technology.

Executives of these two corporations that benefited -- Loral and Hughes -- were among the largest financial contributors to President Clinton's campaign effort. But this is not important, Mr. President, because the motive for aiding and abetting our adversaries could be money, or it could be some kind of perverted allegiance to these countries, or it could be a total indifference to the security of the lives of Americans. The motive is not important. The fact is President Clinton did it and he knew exactly what he was doing.

Now coupling the transferred missile guidance technology with the stolen nuclear weapon technology, China can threaten U.S. cities with accurate, reliable and horribly destructive multiple warhead nuclear missiles.

This is not science fiction fantasy, Mr. President. Two years ago, a high ranking Chinese official actually said that China was prepared to hit Los Angeles if the U.S. would take steps to defend Taiwan. No American should assume these are idle or impossible threats.

Now by helping China develop their long-range missile program, President Clinton was also helping North Korea and other rogue nations with theirs. Let me read three paragraphs from last week's Washington Times article entitled, "China Assists North Korea Space Launches."


China is sharing space technology with North Korea, a move that could boost Pyongyang's long range missile program, White House and Pentagon officials told The Washington Times. ...
Another Pentagon report on a 1996 Chinese booster that failed to launch a U.S. satellite concluded that "U.S. national security was harmed" by the improper sharing of technology with China by Hughes and another satellite maker, Loral Space & Communications Ltd. ...


Keep in mind, President Clinton signed the waiver to give the Chinese this technology. The article concludes:

In 1994, the Pentagon's Defense Intelligence Agency reported that it believed China had helped design the Taepo Dong II missile (this is the North Korean missile) because its first stage diameter is very close in size to China's CSS-2 intermediate range missiles.

So it is factual to say that President Clinton knew he was giving our missile technology to North Korea as well as China.
I take this moment to remind my colleagues once again that America today has no defense whatsoever against such a threat. The Clinton administration today -- despite its rhetoric -- opposes the deployment of any national missile defense system.

It was 16 years ago this month, on March 23, 1983, that President Reagan announced his intention to develop a national missile defense system to protect America. We have come a long way since then. Our technology has improved; we know what to do to meet this challenge.

Had we kept steadily on the course that President Reagan set, we would have a missile defense system deployed right now. Instead, we have an Administration which killed the Reagan-Bush Strategic Defense Initiative program, which vetoed missile defense bills passed by Congress and which is wedded to the outdated ABM Treaty, which Henry Kissinger, the architect of the treaty says has outlived its usefulness.

Clinton today is obsessed with maintaining the philosophy of the old ABM Treaty at all costs. He is locked into the mentality of a world with two lone superpowers -- the United States and the Soviet Union.

The theory is that if both sides keep their populations defenseless, then neither side would dare attack out of fear of a devastating retaliation. This is what they call mutual assured destruction (MAD). It is a theory that Dr. Kissinger believes makes no sense in the modern world where many countries are getting their hands on long-range missiles and weapons of mass destruction.

President Clinton is solely responsible for the fact that we are totally defenseless against an incoming ICBM from China or anywhere else.

From news reports, this is some of what we know about China's theft of our nuclear secrets:

Apparently a spy at the Energy Department's Los Alamos weapons lab succeeded in transferring data on this highly classified W-88 warhead technology to China in the mid-1980s.

But our government did not find out about it until April 1995. (This is a critical date. We did not know about the theft until April 1995.) Detection came when experts analyzed data from then-recent Chinese underground nuclear tests and saw remarkable similarities to the W-88 U.S. warhead. Later in 1995, secret Chinese government documents confirmed that there had been a security breach at Los Alamos.

Deputy National Security Advisor Sandy Berger was first briefed about it in 1996. President Clinton did not respond then because he was obviously a little preoccupied with what he considered more important matters at that time.

After all, there were White House fundraisers to host, foreign campaign contributions, satellite transfers to approve, high technology trade with China to promote, and -- of course -- an election to be won ... at all costs. Mr. Berger was well aware of all this. We know he sat in on all the key campaign strategy meetings in 1996.

This was also the time when President Clinton was running around the country telling audiences that "for the first time since the dawn of the nuclear age, there is not a single, solitary nuclear missile pointed at an American child tonight. Not one. Not a single one."

Of course, everyone cheered, believing it to be true.

Of all the lies this president has told, this is the most egregious of all.

He repeated this misleading, deceptive lie over 130 times between 1995 and 1997, right at the very time he and his national security advisors knew that this horrible breach of nuclear security had occurred and was under investigation. It was also at that very time that he knew that up to 18 American cities were being targeted by Chinese long range missiles -- missiles that had and have the potential of killing millions of Americans.

And during this time he said it 130 times: "For the first time since the dawn of the nuclear age, there is not a single, solitary nuclear missile pointed at an American child tonight. Not one. Not a single one."

So while the American people consumed his misleading and dishonest public statements -- helping to secure his reelection -- nothing was done for over a year about the security breach at Los Alamos.

The likely suspect spy was identified in early 1997, and the FBI urged that he at least be transferred to a less sensitive position.

But inexplicably, he was allowed to keep his sensitive job at Los Alamos for another year and a half. This was the spy responsible for the theft and President Clinton kept him in that sensitive job for another year and half. Finally, he was fired by Energy Secretary Richardson last Monday, March 8, 1999, but only after he was publicly identified in news reports as having failed two previous lie detector tests.

In all of this, was Congress ever informed? No. As a member of the Armed Services and Intelligence Committees, I certainly was not. And as I said earlier, I talked to the chairman of both the House Intelligence Committee and the Senate Intelligence Committee and they were not informed.

Did the President ever take the appropriately aggressive and timely steps which should have been taken to protect the national security interest, in the wake of this matter? He did not.

Why? Why the delays? Why the lack of consultation and communication? Why the seeming indifference to this very, very serious breach of national security?

We will be asking some tough questions about this in the days ahead, and I note that the Armed Services Committee will be holding hearings on this issue soon. The Senate Intelligence Committee will hold a closed hearing on Wednesday, March 17.

The American people need to know what is going on here.

The President's National Security Advisor, Mr. Berger, has a lot to answer for here. He had better be prepared to answer questions from members of Congress honestly, forthrightly and without intention to deceive, mislead, or change the meaning of words. Otherwise, he should resign now and take the rap for President Clinton.

I am convinced we have not yet scratched the surface of this national security scandal exposed by these most recent revelations.

This administration obviously wanted nothing to interfere with developing good relations with China. While it was soliciting and accepting campaign contributions from China, it was dragging its feet on investigating the most egregious espionage operation China had ever succeeded in pulling off in the U.S., a breach of security which could potentially put the lives of millions of Americans at great risk.

This is without doubt the worst example yet of how this administration has put its own selfish motives above the national security interest of the country and above the protection of American lives.

The American people and the Congress must demand the President be held accountable for this gross dereliction of duty.

I guess the question is, what can we do? I'm not sure there is anything we can do except inform the American people and let public outrage solve the problem. And why are we in Congress so limited in what we can do?

The Founding Fathers never envisioned we would have a president who would do these kinds of things and act in these ways. This is why the Constitution gives the president great latitude of action in carrying out his duties and why he is protected from the other branches of government by the separation of powers.

John Adams, on his first night in the newly constructed White House, wrote to his wife, and spoke of the expectations of all the founders during that time: "May none but honest and wise men rule under this roof," he wrote.

There was an assumption the American people would always elect presidents with a basic level of morality, honesty and integrity, who out of patriotism would always put the welfare of the country above any personal ambitions for power or glory.

This president knew he was covering up information vital to the safety and well-being of every American -- that China had stolen from us the advanced technology which would give them the capability to kill millions of Americans in multiple cities with just one missile. He knew it.

In 1945, World War II was ended when atomic bombs were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Each explosion destroyed an entire city, killing tens of thousands. The death toll at Hiroshima was about 75,000 from that 15-kiloton nuclear bomb.

Just think: that with the technology that the President has transferred to China and what China has stolen and the President has covered up, China is now capable of producing a 150 kiloton bomb small enough to fit ten of them on top of one missile, each bomb targeted at a different American city with accuracy and reliability. Just extrapolating the numbers, that -- in theory -- is enough destructive power to kill as many as 7,500,000 Americans -- with just one missile.

And, due to this president who stopped our national missile defense effort, we have no defense. We have a president who acts as if he doesn't care ... about us.

So finally, Mr. President, let me repeat the six proven incontrovertible facts:

President Clinton hosted over 100 campaign fundraisers in the White House, many with Chinese connections.

President Clinton used John Huang, Charlie Trie, Johnny Chung, James Riady, and others with strong Chinese ties to raise campaign money.

President Clinton signed waivers to allow his top campaign fundraiser's aerospace company to transfer U.S. missile guidance technology to China.

President Clinton covered up the theft of our most valuable nuclear weapons technology.

President Clinton lied to the American people over 130 times about our nation's security while he knew Chinese missiles were aimed at American children.

President Clinton single-handedly stopped the deployment of a national missile defense system, exposing every American life to a missile attack, leaving America with no defense whatsoever against an intercontinental ballistic missile.
Again, it doesn't matter whether President Clinton did these things for Chinese campaign contributions because the motive for aiding and abetting our adversaries is not important. The fact is President Clinton did it and he knew exactly what he was doing.

I'm not a lawyer, Mr. President, but I have to ask, could President Clinton have been tried for impeachment for the wrong crime?

Why am I here telling the truth about the President? Because no one else will. They know this president will lie with such conviction that the American people will continue to believe him and they don't want to take the risk.

Yesterday at the McLean Bible Church, the sermon was about risk. They all came back from Canaan with reports of certain defeat ... except for Caleb who said we could win. God left the Israelites to languish in the desert and sent Caleb to the Promised Land. But with all these lessons we just don't learn.

Henry Ward Beecher said it a different way. He said, "I don't like those cold precise people who in order not to say wrong, say nothing ... and in order not to do wrong, do nothing." So somebody has to tell the truth about this President. We can't all be appeasers. An appeaser is a guy who throws his friends to the alligator in hopes that the alligator will eat him last.

Hiram Mann said, "No man survives when freedom fails, the best men rot in filthy jails, and those who cry 'Appease, appease' are hanged by those they tried to please."

Truth will ultimately prevail ... it's just stubborn. Winston Churchill said, "Truth is incontrovertible, ignorance can deride it, panic may resent it, malice may destroy it, but there it is."

Mr. President, everything I have said during the course of the last 30 minutes is absolutely true. I hope America is listening. We've got a nation to save.




U.S. Sen. James M. Inhofe is a Republican from Oklahoma.


http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=17010


464 posted on 01/22/2006 10:58:44 AM PST by Seattle Conservative (God bless and protect our troops and their CIC. (Go Seahawks!!!))
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To: anita
Have no worries,

taking this kind of donation - (i just read the article) is why Hillary is "unelectable"

She has taken too quick a path to the Presidency, is too hungry for power and $, and thus will continue to make too many mistakes - I am personally hoping she gets the nomination - that way we are ensured through 2012 a foreign policy that will keep us safer than the internationalist policies our friends on the other side of the isle would employ, remember - however you feel about him, Bill was a very wise politician, and it took him 15+ years, and a bunch of mistakes in AK to make it to 1600 Penn Avenue, regardless of the power the nomination will give her, and the benefit of her husband's counsel - she does not possess the subtle skills required to win, and cannot acquire them on the fly,

now you may say #43 did not have those subtle skills in 2000 either - but remember, if it were not for a schizophrenic Gore - GWB would not be office, and if Gore had not turned his back on Bill he would have won the electoral votes...Hillary will not have the advantage that GWB had...she will be challenger by a quality GOP candidate... DGL
465 posted on 01/22/2006 11:00:03 AM PST by douglas-from-nyc
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To: NCLaw441
"nce again I see many dems appearing, as though they remain in power, which, given the unfortunate power of the media, I guess they do..."

Chief Justice John Roberts, soon to be Associate Justice Sam Alito...You guess wrong. :-)

466 posted on 01/22/2006 11:05:30 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Is there a satire god who created Al Gore for the sole purpose of making us laugh?)
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To: Morgan in Denver

You're welcome. It may not have anything to do w it, but I can't help but wonder if the #of denials and modifications will go down after Robertson left FISA.


467 posted on 01/22/2006 11:06:20 AM PST by Seattle Conservative (God bless and protect our troops and their CIC. (Go Seahawks!!!))
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To: MNJohnnie; Alas Babylon!

Thanks for the thread, see you later.

Gotta go vacumn the dog!


468 posted on 01/22/2006 11:09:58 AM PST by A.Hun (Common sense is no longer common.)
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To: douglas-from-nyc
...she will be challenger by a quality GOP candidate...

Who are you thinking will get the GOP nomination?

And welcome to FR!

469 posted on 01/22/2006 11:10:34 AM PST by maryz
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To: roses of sharon

He does hate the "right wing" because they do not want a freak as the Commander in Chief. They also do not want all the Baggage that Mccain brings including the "Keating" mess, the Cyndi Mccain felony forging and stealing of Prescription painkillers, the Organized crime connections of his father-in Law(The Beer Magnate) in Arizona, and many other minor sets of "Baggage". John Mccain is loved by the News Media lefties because he has this anger against Republicans and they can always get inside dope on the Republicans from him and they can get nasty anti Republican sound bites to use against GWB and GOP leaders. McCain thinks that the media really will support him against a Democrat contender. He is so stuck on stupid it is amazing he can even brush his own teeth. The media has been building huge data banks of weird stuff that Mccain has said,racist,anti-gay, anti-female jokes,plus his mental problems, etc. They are waiting for the perfect opportunity to spring all this off the wall stuff on him should he become the Republican Candidate. They have been holding back on so much nutty stuff (offputting to the public)it is a wonder they even print anything about him anymore. They must be real experts at the cut and splice.


470 posted on 01/22/2006 11:11:04 AM PST by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge! Soldier in Bucket Brigade Reporting for Duty.)
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To: samantha
HOW CAN THEY HELP HIM?

How about stop grasping onto the victim card. How about stop putting political agenda and ideology above what is best for the family.....

I wrote this a long time ago- this is just part of what I wrote- the part that is relative to the victimhood label passed to children, that allows them to excuse their poor behavior instead of teaching victory in choosing good behavior....

Precious Heirloom of Hate

How did we get here? I have a few ideas, but none better than the example I am about to give.

I was watching my son play football the other day. I got to chatting with a woman there watching her son. I found out that she is a teacher, a single mother, and a Christian. I was enjoying our conversation until............. Yup, she started on how terrible America is. In a nutshell, "9/11, what do we expect? Look how we treat the rest of the world and EACH OTHER." It was obvious we grew up in two different countries. WHY? Because I am white, and she is black? NO- this is ridiculous. We grew up in two different America's because of the people in our lives and what they taught us and showed us.

She sees herself as not abandoned, but targeted. America keeping her down. America out to punish people and hate people because of skin color. Sadly, this image is not at all what I saw. I saw a classy, intelligent woman. A mother committed and dedicated to her children, sitting in the stands after a hard day's work hoping to see her son get on the field at least once. I saw a woman not only dedicated to her own children, but to all of the children in her community. Let's face it, teachers don't sign up for the job for the dough. I saw a mother working hard to give her children all she could. But then the hate slipped out. The image I had of her was shattered.

My heart broke for her. How miserable this must be. No doubt she loves her children. Now I saw a woman that has been cheated, not cheated of opportunity to achieve physically, but cheated mentally and emotionally. I fear this is a family heirloom passed down generation after generation. It is a martyrdom clung to. I honestly believe the hate is clung to with the intention of making them strong. The purpose is to teach their children to never let the white man disrespect them. The result it DEVASTATING.

Imagine this scenario: My son walks off the field after the game frustrated and angry because he didn't get to play. I proceed to tell him that he is being cheated. Sports are corrupt, full of coaches out to make a name for themselves, basking in adoration, and they don't give a hoot about him. The only thing the coach cares about is the numbers placed in the WIN - LOSS column. He favors the kids whose parents he hangs out with and raise lots of money for the team. Then I decide to go pitch a fit on the coach. I whine and moan. I tell my son the coach hates short people. You are short, get use to it. The world is not a friendly place for short men. Don't take it, fight back against this injustice at every turn. "SHORT POWER."

What have I just done? I have told my child that he is a victim. I have told him he has NO POWER. I have SHOWN him that blaming others, accusing them of discrimation, and acting like a child told "no" is the way to handle things. I have CONVINCED him that it doesn't matter how hard he works, or how talented he is, the system is against him, and there is only one way to deal with it- take NO responsibility, and let the world know you are a victim and the system is eeevil. What a great lesson. What a GREAT gift to give my child. How strong is my love for my child when supporting him and giving him the tools to succeed in life take a back seat to my hate and anger.

In reality what is happening is that my heart is breaking. It is painful to see your child not get what he wants, or what I feel he deserves. But rather than deal with this pain on my own, rather than possess my pain and be the adult, I take the pain and shove it back on him. Make him deal with it and make myself look like his number one advocate.

I love my son. My love for him is so strong, I want HIM to succeed and have more in life. I want him to live with peace in his soul and be a man that others look up to. This is what I told my son:

You are just as much a part of that team as the star quarterback. You have a great purpose. You may not be in the spotlight for making big plays, but you have other talents. Take YOUR talents and SHINE with THOSE. Son, people love to be around you. You are the one encouraging your friends when they are down. You know how to pump people up. I am thrilled just to see you wear that jersey. You are brave beyond measure. It takes a lot of heart and great character to make sure you give all you can to the team instead of sitting on the sidelines worrying about your chance to show-off. It takes courage to stand on that field when these guys are twice your size and weight. It's easy to be a positive part of the team when you are making catches and running the ball into the endzone. It's TOUGH to stand on the sidelines and cheer and support the kids that pick on you just to make themselves feel better or look cool. You are head and shoulders above them. You have what it takes to be a great husband and a great father, and when all is said and done, this is what people will remember. Make it your mission to be the best encourager of the guy on the team with the biggest ego and worst attitude. Don't waste your time getting angry about where you fall short, put your energy into your OWN STRENGTHS. Figure out what you can offer this team that no one else can, and then give it with all your heart and soul. Be the one that people can count on to hold the team together. Be the one that people WANT to be around. If you do this, 2 things will happen. Number one- YOU will enjoy your time spent on this team MUCH MUCH MORE! You are going to be there- make it count. Make it the BEST you can make it. Number two- YOU will learn more from this experience than you ever imagined. You will be the better person. You will leave your high school career knowing that you were a positive part of this team. You will go into life with the skills you need to succeed no matter what the odds. YOU have the power to become a VICTIM or a VICTOR. It is YOUR choice.

Bottom line is this. The rest of the world will give him plenty of chances to be a victim and blame others for all his unhappiness and disappointments. I have decided to GIVE HIM THE OPPORTUNITY TO KNOW HE HAS THE POWER TO SUCCEED AND THE CHARACTER TO MAKE IT HAPPEN. My job as a parent is not to worry about how much time he gets on the field. It is my job to nurture him in a way that will serve him best in his life. It is my job to give him the chance to know HE CHOOSES his destiny. It is my job to bear the brunt of the pain and disappointment and give him HOPE and POWER over his own life.

As the talking heads and political pundits play games and play on your emotions to further their own agenda, put your efforts into making America better. I am going to take the last piece of my own advice that I gave my son. "When you catch others on the team causing strife and tearing the coaches or other players down, tell them you aren't interested in wasting your time hurting the team. Tell them it is the coaches call on who plays and who doesn't. It is your call on weather you build the team up or tear it down. Tell them you choose to do what you can do to make the team better."

This is about saving lives. This is not about elections. This is about using this tragedy to make us weaker or stronger. OUR CHOICE!

http://www.lifeisforeveryone.com/blog/2005/09/shattered.php
471 posted on 01/22/2006 11:11:16 AM PST by eeevil conservative (Want Change in your life? Change your playground and playmates! Victim or Victory-Your Choice!)
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To: douglas-from-nyc

Wow - nice reply - you're the reason I love being a Freeper - I love the intellect I get to interact with.

Thanks a ton for your comments and your thoughts - and do not mean simply as a reply - but overall as well.


472 posted on 01/22/2006 11:18:07 AM PST by Jake The Goose (Iranian People)
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To: MNJohnnie

I agree with your statement, and yet I don't think I am wrong. Our conservative justices will likely maintain the status quo, which is good. It is unlikely that they will actively undo the wrongs of the libs. In any event, we will not hear of these rulings from the mainstream media.

I obviously stated my point weakly. The majority of the US people are conservative, we just don't see that reflected in the media, and this does not appear likely to change.


473 posted on 01/22/2006 11:22:59 AM PST by NCLaw441
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To: snugs

He is still young enough to have more children by his wife, if she is that foolish. There are so many diseases that can be transmitted to the baby growing in the Womb it is so irresponsible for him to be unfaithful especially under the circumstances outlined delicately in that article.


474 posted on 01/22/2006 11:25:14 AM PST by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge! Soldier in Bucket Brigade Reporting for Duty.)
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To: NCLaw441
Hey I was just kidding you. See the Junk Journalists live on the propaganda that they shape opinion. Not any more. Rush Limbaugh, Fox News and the other 3 Top Radio Talk Show hosts reach more people then all the Alphabet networks nightly news shows. There is a battle field of ideas out there that the Dinosaur Media is LOSING badly.
475 posted on 01/22/2006 11:28:00 AM PST by MNJohnnie (Is there a satire god who created Al Gore for the sole purpose of making us laugh?)
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To: don-o

And another of mention of algore. Victoria Toensig's article in the WSJ today:

Terrorists on Tap
Do Al Gore and other Democrats really want to keep the government from finding al Qaeda agents in the U.S.?

BY VICTORIA TOENSING
Sunday, January 22, 2006 12:01 a.m. EST

In a speech last week, Al Gore took another swing at the National Security Agency's electronic surveillance program, which monitors international communications when one party is affiliated with terrorists. Specifically, Mr. Gore argued that George Bush "has been breaking the law repeatedly and persistently," and that such actions might constitute an impeachable offense. The question he raises is whether the president illegally bypassed the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA). But the real issue is national security: FISA is as adept at detecting--and, thus, preventing--a terrorist attack as a horse-and-buggy is at getting us from New York to Paris.

I have extensive experience with the consequences of government bungling due to overstrict interpretations of FISA. As chief counsel for the Senate Intelligence Committee from 1981 to 1984, I participated in oversight of FISA in the first years after its passage. When I subsequently became deputy assistant attorney general in the Reagan administration, one of my responsibilities was the terrorism portfolio, which included working with FISA.

In 1985, I experienced the pain of terminating a FISA wiretap when to do so defied common sense and thwarted the possibility of gaining information about American hostages. During the TWA 847 hijacking, American serviceman Robert Stethem was murdered and the remaining American male passengers taken hostage. We had a previously placed tap in the U.S. and thought there was a possibility we could learn the hostages' location. But Justice Department career lawyers told me that the FISA statute defined its "primary purpose" as foreign intelligence gathering. Because crimes were taking place, the FBI had to shut down the wire.

FISA's "primary purpose" became the basis for the "wall" in 1995, when the Clinton-Gore Justice Department prohibited those on the intelligence side from even communicating with those doing law enforcement. The Patriot Act corrected this problem and the FISA appeals court upheld the constitutionality of that amendment, characterizing the rigid interpretation as "puzzling." The court cited an FBI agent's testimony that efforts to investigate two of the Sept. 11 hijackers were blocked by senior FBI officials, concerned about the FISA rule requiring separation.

Today, FISA remains ill-equipped to deal with ever-changing terrorist threats. It was never envisioned to be a speedy collector of information to prevent an imminent attack on our soil. And the reasons the president might decide to bypass FISA courts are readily understandable, as it is easy to conjure up scenarios like the TWA hijacking, in which strict adherence to FISA would jeopardize American lives.

The overarching problem is that FISA, written in 1978, is technologically antediluvian. It was drafted by legislators who had no concept of how terrorists could communicate in the 21st century or the technology that would be invented to intercept those communications. The rules regulating the acquisition of foreign intelligence communications were drafted when the targets to be monitored had one telephone number per residence and all the phones were plugged into the wall. Critics like Al Gore and especially critics in Congress, rather than carp, should address the gaps created by a law that governs peacetime communications-monitoring but does not address computers, cell phones or fiber optics in the midst of war.

rest of article here: http://www.opinionjournal.com/editorial/feature.html?id=110007848


476 posted on 01/22/2006 11:30:02 AM PST by Seattle Conservative (God bless and protect our troops and their CIC. (Go Seahawks!!!))
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To: MNJohnnie

Just kidding?

were you being smarmy?


477 posted on 01/22/2006 11:34:32 AM PST by eeevil conservative (Want Change in your life? Change your playground and playmates! Victim or Victory-Your Choice!)
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To: Seattle Conservative

GREAT POST!


478 posted on 01/22/2006 11:35:29 AM PST by eeevil conservative (Want Change in your life? Change your playground and playmates! Victim or Victory-Your Choice!)
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To: eeevil conservative

Great comments and how true this is and can be applied to many situations in life.


479 posted on 01/22/2006 11:36:17 AM PST by snugs (An English Cheney Chick - BIG TIME)
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To: Seattle Conservative

Worst scandal since Watergate? Actually, although individuals have been caught and punished, this is the ONLY scandal since Watergate. As such, the Democrats will be trying to milk it for all it's worth. The problem they have is it's like the House Post Office and bank scandal, they are guilty as well.


480 posted on 01/22/2006 11:40:58 AM PST by Morgan in Denver
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