Posted on 12/29/2005 9:01:59 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin
This will be remembered as the year in which mass surveillance became normal, even popular. Revelations about the Bush administration's domestic eavesdropping rocked the civil liberties establishment, but the country as a whole didn't seem upset. Instead, the American people, mindful of the possible danger that we face, seem happy enough that Uncle Sam is taking steps to keep up with the challenges created by new technology. Ask yourself: Do you think it's a bad idea for the feds, as U.S. News & World Report mentioned, to monitor Islamic sites inside the United States for any possible suspicious radiation leaks?
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That says enough, all by itself, about your feelings for the Constitution.
Indeed, the communications mining has never stopped.
We must consider though, do two wrongs make a right?
Any way? With all due respect, in some regards this is a fascist country. That is to say, if you understand what fascism actually is, namely a system where private property is allowed but government controlled, it would be hard to successfully argue otherwise. The current "regulation society" we live in is proof positive.
The current rash of "no smoking on private property" laws are only one such example. There are many more.
Son, you may try, but you will never "out libertarian" me. I forgot more about such things than you may ever discover.
I don't think that the PATRIOT Act authorizes firearms search and seizure. But never think in terms of the current president when you consider. Think in terms of President Hillary! ...
Using your logic, at any given moment we have no idea what a president is doing, so we should not elect presidents.
Your feelings about the Constitution.
Your argument as always is short on substance and long on Ad Hominam attack.
And you tell me not to call you a dope.
Well, if I were a militant muslim calling Osama, I imagine the government might have an interest in what is said. I personally hope they are tracking the conversation of Sami Al Arian (sorry, my spelling uncertain), the professor in Florida that O'Reilly has featured!
What ad hominem attack?
And you tell me not to call you a dope.
I never told you that. In fact, I thanked you.
And how will we know if only such persons are being wiretapped? By the due process afforded under the law.
Second, they couldn't convict the guy with wiretaps. So either he isn't what you think he is, or wiretaps aren't as effective as many think they are.
Subject: Lexus Owner's Story
Just got my new Lexus RX400h a few days ago. I returned to the dealer
the next day complaining that I couldn't figure out how the radio worked.
The salesman explained that the radio was voice activated. "Watch this,"
he said, "Nelson!" The radio replied, "Ricky or Willie?" "Willie!," he
continued...and "On The Road Again" came from the speakers. I drove away
happy, and for the next few days, every time I'd say "Beethoven," I'd get
beautiful classical music, and if I said "Beatles," I'd get one of their
awesome songs.
One day a couple ran a red light and nearly creamed my new car, but I
swerved in time to avoid them. "Assholes!!," I yelled. Suddenly the French
National Anthem began to play, sung by Jane Fonda and Michael Moore, backed
up by John Kerry on guitar, Al Gore on drums, Bill Clinton on sax and
Hillary on the tambourine.
I love this car!
As is all too common, you are confusing libertarianism with anarchy.
How come your simple message is so hard for folks to understand? Perhaps it's due to the public fool system doing such an excellent job of minimizing the truths in the Constitution and our lack of knowledge about this alleged legal system that provides excellent cover for the legions of shysters, crooks and traitors within gov't at all levels?
No "due process" during wartime regarding the interception of messages from foreign enemies. That's where I stand. The President is commander in chief and is responsible for protecting this nation from foreign attack. Given that responsibility, he also has the inherent authority to act.
I can never support the idea of war decisions being in the hands of a panel of judges. And I'd say the same thing if Hillary Clinton were president during time of war.
What say you to 'the interception of a telephone call from a US citizen to a relative in Egypt at a number that was used on three occasions to call a telephone number associated with a known Al Qaeda sympathiser in Egypt, who had not committed any terrorist acts himself but made statements in support of those who did, which number belonged to a neighborhood cafe'?
I'll go 8 to 1 that we are listening to many, many more of the latter than the former.
The president should comply with the Constitution.
The ultimate measure of governmental searches and constitutionality is reasonableness.
I believe that it is reasonable to monitor known correspondence between people in this country and known terrorist organizations abroad.
I also believe that the Constitution gives the executive branch to the power to wage war minus a warrant. The Constitution doesn't give that power to a panel of judges.
And how will we know if only such persons are being wiretapped? By the due process afforded under the law.
A guarantee against government? As I said before, there are no guarantees. Heck, how will we know if the president we elect is not a crook? How will we know the president we elect isn't doing things behind our back. Let's just call off Constitutionally mandated elections.
Your correct. The PA is, unlike the constitution, a living set of laws that Congress has the ability to change as needed. I'm a gun owner and have nothing to fear but, fear itself. There's always been a crowd out there who fear the Gov. will come and take their weapons. Makes you wonder what they have to hide.
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