Posted on 12/29/2005 9:01:59 AM PST by Nicholas Conradin
This will be remembered as the year in which mass surveillance became normal, even popular. Revelations about the Bush administration's domestic eavesdropping rocked the civil liberties establishment, but the country as a whole didn't seem upset. Instead, the American people, mindful of the possible danger that we face, seem happy enough that Uncle Sam is taking steps to keep up with the challenges created by new technology. Ask yourself: Do you think it's a bad idea for the feds, as U.S. News & World Report mentioned, to monitor Islamic sites inside the United States for any possible suspicious radiation leaks?
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"Do you think the forth amendment is important?"
I used to program in FORTH. I don't think it supports amendments.
As already pointed out, and agreed to by the author, it was not well said.
Our Constitution is not a libertarian document.
Actually, most so called "libertarian" principles are the same ones as the constitution's.
"are saying that almost every type of Comm is monitored?"
I'm not saying anything, except that I worked there. That's really all I'm allowed to say.
Sorry, I think the reference sailed over my head if it was concerned with computer programming. :^(
It would be reasonable for a CIC -- even Hillary -- to minitor conversations with Al Qaeda without a warrant.
It would be unreasonable for a CIC -- including Hillary -- to monitor other conversations without a warrant.
What's the problem?
My civil rights arent hindered so the question is moot.
Do you own firearms?
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Does the Patriot Act authorize the seizing of citizens' guns? Has the president threatened to do that?
How many times were you under surveillance so far today?
The above is well said.
Actually, most so called "libertarian" principles are the same ones as the constitution's.
Yes there are libertarian principles in the Constitution. The Constitution is not a libertarian document.
You said: If you don't want Hillary, or someone like her, to have unfettered surveillance capability, then you shouldn't be complacent about this President having it.
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The problem with this sort of analysis is that most people wouldn't want Hillary to have ANY power, which would support a constitutional amendment eliminating the presidential powers now possessed. How about looking at it from the other end of the barrel-- With what sort of person should we entrust these wide-ranging powers? Not Hillary, not a dem of any kind, save perhaps Zell Miller or Joe Lieberman.
Sorry. You referred to the "forth" amendment, when you meant the "fourth" amendment. Just a joke.
Your opinion is noted about the wording, but I disagree with your opinion. On factual matters, it is also incorrect.
Yes there are libertarian principles in the Constitution.
Right, further, most are.
The Constitution is not a libertarian document.
The following are also true;
The Constitution is not a communist document.
The Constitution is not a fascist document.
The Constitution is not a Republican document.
The Constitution is not a democratic or Democratic document.
The Constitution is not a socialist document.
The government protects LIFE LIBERTY and PROPERTY for INDIVIDUALS, as defined by the US Constitution. Your liberty IS infringed, when the government allows itself to infringe on the liberty of others. Your duty as a citizen is to make sure that the government infringes on no one's rights and that the law and justice prevail. Maybe more citizens need to get involved, instead of leaving their 'protection' up to the government.
Oh,,lol,,thanks. I didn't notice it the second time either.
Oh, for the record, I don't believe it now, either. Someone on behalf of our government - I think it was a guy subbing for McClellan - said that we are only listening in on people with a history of bombing churches, trains and weddings. Well, if there are folks here with that history, I'd hope we'd be getting arrest warrants, not monitoring phone calls without a warrant.
And if everyone being monitored is a bad guy, it is no problem to get a warrant. I'm glad you prefer having a shift supervisor make the call as to who can be monitored and who can't, but the FISA court is about as unobtrusive as due process could possibly be.
I agree that we need to abide by the Constitution, of course.
No one. The way the Founders intended.
in other words if you told us anything you'd have to kill us. ;)
No. I understand your opinion. What you call "facts" is just your opinion. I think your opinion is wrong too.
Yes there are libertarian principles in the Constitution.
Right, further, most are.
The Amendments are libertarian. Most, are the unalienable rights that we hope to best protect. Now look passed the libertarian amendments. See the procedures of the Constition. Now read again the comment by that poster that I responded to.
The comment was well said.
The Constitution is not a libertarian document.
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