Posted on 12/01/2005 10:55:04 AM PST by curiosity
Edited on 12/01/2005 11:11:54 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
The storm-tossed and rudderless Republican Party should particularly ponder the vote last week in Dover, Pa., where all eight members of the school board seeking re-election were defeated. This expressed the community's wholesome exasperation with the board's campaign to insinuate religion, in the guise of "intelligent design'' theory, into high school biology classes, beginning with a required proclamation that evolution "is not a fact.''
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I'd say the fraudlently named "free trade" is destroying the Republican party. Phony "free trade" is responsible for our wide open border, the flood of H1 B visas, outsourcing and offshoring. It is responsible for the loss of the authority of the american citizen over his government. It is the seed of the Bush doctrine and the neocon agenda to democratize the world. It is responsible for the subversion of the republican party to support global socialism, "fighting poverty" through aid with trade, "trade capacity building", remittances and other wealth redistribution programs. All these things are very un-Republican and counter to the republican party platform.
Gill slits, not gills.
Resemblence to a primate? We *are* primates. (Why do you think we modestly named it that?) I think you meant resemblence to other vertebrate embryos.
Did you get into the way the ear bones develop? They start in the jaw and migrate to the inner ear. Now where have I seen that before? Oh yes, the fossil record of reptile -> mammal-like reptile -> reptile-like mammal -> mammal.
Not as much as Haekel thought, but to some extent, ontogeny really does recapitulate phylogeny.
Ugh, I was composing a brilliant response to your #173 last night when the power went out! I'll try again later.
Good point. I wouldn't want to alienate the Religious Cons, a group with a strong committment to individual liberty, personal responsiblity, private property, the free-market, limited governmment, and the rule of law, by insulting them.
Oh wait. That's not the ReCons at all. They'd discard any and all of that to advance their causes - just as progressives would.
Ya gotta admit that's a resemblence to bank on
I don't much care about a candidate's personal views on crevo. EG, Pres. Bush is most likely a creationist, but he has the mature good judgement not to push it. In particular, he knows enough to appoint competent people to offices that require scientific knowledge. I voted for him.
However, if a candidate were to make a commitment to promote ID in schools, or made disparaging remarks about standard biology, I wouldn't vote for him. I couldn't trust his judgement on other matters. This has nothing to do with party or religion: a GOP Christian creationist or a D*m Scientologist or an indie Muslim. Even if they talked good on the economy and WOT.
If a candidate had scientific training he would understand why ToE is accepted by the overwhelming majority of biologists. If he lacked scientific training, he should defer to the experts.
Any candidate with the hubris to declare that his opinion is better than that of biologists should not be trusted with public power.
Don't hold back, tell what you really think.
I find it telling that you offer only name-calling, not rational argument or even polite discussion.
So, here is some of the actual data that the theory of evolution works with. Enjoy.
Fossil: KNM-WT 15000
Site: Nariokotome, West Turkana, Kenya (1)
Discovered By: K. Kimeu, 1984 (1)
Estimated Age of Fossil: 1.6 mya * determined by Stratigraphic, faunal & radiometric data (1, 4)
Species Name: Homo ergaster (1, 7, 8), Homo erectus (3, 4, 7, 10), Homo erectus ergaster (25)
Gender: Male (based on pelvis, browridge) (1, 8, 9)
Cranial Capacity: 880 (909 as adult) cc (1)
Information: Most complete early hominid skeleton (80 bones and skull) (1, 8)
Interpretation: Hairless and dark pigmented body (based on environment, limb proportions) (7, 8, 9). Juvenile (9-12 based on 2nd molar eruption and unfused growth plates) (1, 3, 4, 7, 8). Juvenile (8 years old based on recent studies on tooth development) (27). Incapable of speech (based on narrowing of spinal canal in thoracic region) (1)
Nickname: Turkana Boy (1), Nariokotome Boy
See original source for notes:
Source: http://www.mos.org/evolution/fossils/fossilview.php?fid=38
However, if a candidate were to make a commitment to promote ID in schools, or made disparaging remarks about standard biology, I wouldn't vote for him. I couldn't trust his judgement on other matters. This has nothing to do with party or religion: a GOP Christian creationist or a D*m Scientologist or an indie Muslim. Even if they talked good on the economy and WOT.
If a candidate had scientific training he would understand why ToE is accepted by the overwhelming majority of biologists. If he lacked scientific training, he should defer to the experts.
Any candidate with the hubris to declare that his opinion is better than that of biologists should not be trusted with public power.
Can't be repeated enough. Well said.
Thanks.
Correct me if I'm wrong but you supported Patrick Henry's assertion that "The dems, somehow, have convinced the undecideds that they're the intellectual party. When the MSM gets finished with this creationism/ID business, the republicans will be toast with the undecideds. Which means we won't be winning any more national elections." Did you not?
Some of your 'facts' are not facts either.
:-} My facts are all in a row. You're failure to debunk anything specifically ie evidence of that.
When I'm having a discussion with someone and they start saying I said something I didn't, and present their own hypothesis and opinions as 'facts', I conclude the discussion is not in good faith and that my further participation is a waste of time.
You really never got out of the starting blocks. You backed your pals empty assertion but never offered any evidence supporting it. Adios.
So which is it - Homo ergaster, Homo erectus, or Homo erectus ergaster? You evolutionist keep changing your stories so often you can't even get your stories straight!!! Anything to keep the mith alive!!!
</crevo jeremiad mode>
Irrelevant even if true. Or do you agree with those who shouted down Larry Summers because they didn't like the implications of men and women being different, regardless of the actual facts?
<yawn>
In the above mentioned documents , sincere commies denied the existence of a Creator, all the rights were given and taken away by the Communist Party. Makes for a very interesting living. I suggest you try it _ North Korea and Cuba come to mind. I had the "pleasure" to live under that kind of rule for 31 years and I'm not about to let any half-baked pseudo-intelectuals to drag this country down that road.
I'm glad you were able to get out (or outlive the fall of Communism as the case may be). But you're very mistaken to think that evolution had anything to do with Marx's dialectical materialism. Dialectical materialism was explicitly intended to be an inversion of Hegelianism, a totally whacked-out German philosophy from the late 1700's. Meanwhile, Mussolini's fascism was explicitly a rebirth of "classical" Hegelianism, and Naziism was a reworking of Hegelianism and Hitler's theosophist beliefs and applied to biology.
Bingo Mamzelle! They see themselves as a special interest group within the conservative majority...NOT! They are a teensy weensy minority with more in common with the Left.
Have you noticed how often their articles are posted from NYT, LAT, or sympatico with the ACLU?
Most will not reveal their true conservative credentials, virtually none participate or contribute elsewhere or anywhere on FR...no dollar-a-days, etc.
It is what it is...easy to see if you have eyes open.
Please tell me you were kidding about self-esteem math.
By the way I was able to get out before the communism fell. I had to study all the commie philosophy (CP) all through high school, had to pass a CP test every year in college ( that's 5 years) and one of my medical board exams was again CP. When I thought I had finally gotten rid of all the commie BS, to my surprise I had to take one more in order to be able to do a PHD work. That one was awful - my dissertation was in the medical field but I got the impression of being given a test for a Secretary General of the communist party.
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