Posted on 11/29/2005 7:57:10 AM PST by paltz
Edited on 11/29/2005 8:07:21 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator. [history]
Sen. John McCain is leading the charge against so-called "torture" techniques allegedly used by U.S. interrogators, insisting that practices like sleep deprivation and withholding medical attention are not only brutal - they simply don't work to persuade terrorist suspects to give accurate information.
Nearly forty years ago, however - when McCain was held captive in a North Vietnamese prison camp - some of the same techniques were used on him. And - as McCain has publicly admitted at least twice - the torture worked!
In his 1999 autobiography, "Faith of My Fathers," McCain describes how he was severely injured when his plane was shot down over Hanoi - and how his North Vietnamese interrogators used his injuries to extract information.
"Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I did not cooperate," he wrote.
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"I thought they were bluffing and refused to provide any information beyond my name, rank and serial number, and date of birth. They knocked me around a little to force my cooperation."
The punishment finally worked, McCain said. "Eventually, I gave them my ship's name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant."
Recalling how he gave up military information to his interrogators, McCain said: "I regret very much having done so. The information was of no real use to the Vietnamese, but the Code of Conduct for American Prisoners of War orders us to refrain from providing any information beyond our names, rank and serial number."
The episode wasn't the only instance when McCain broke under physical pressure.
Just after his release in May 1973, he detailed his experience as a P.O.W. in a lengthy account in U.S. News & World Report.
He described the day Hanoi Hilton guards beat him "from pillar to post, kicking and laughing and scratching. After a few hours of that, ropes were put on me and I sat that night bound with ropes."
"For the next four days, I was beaten every two to three hours by different guards . . . Finally, I reached the lowest point of my 5 1/2 years in North Vietnam. I was at the point of suicide, because I saw that I was reaching the end of my rope."
McCain was taken to an interrogation room and ordered to sign a document confessing to war crimes. "I signed it," he recalled. "It was in their language, and spoke about black crimes, and other generalities."
"I had learned what we all learned over there," McCain said. "Every man has his breaking point. I had reached mine."
That McCain broke under torture doesn't make him any less of an American hero. But it does prove he's wrong to claim that harsh interrogation techniques simply don't work.
I can believe that.
John McCain: "Torture Worked on Me"
I bet it is still working on him....
apparently....
I saw this goofy Rino on TV the other day promoting his "No Torture" bill saying that torture does NOT work.
Citizens of Arizona... PLEASE vote this baboon out.
McCain the collaborator
From the first days of McCain's captivity, he seriously violated the Military Code of Conduct, which outlines the basic responsibilities and obligations of members of the Armed Forces of the United States who have been captured by the enemy.
According to documentation obtained by the U.S. Veteran Dispatch, not only did POW McCain promise to give the communists "military information" in exchange for special hospital care not ordinarily available to U.S. prisoners, but he also made numerous anti-war radio broadcasts.
Article V of the Code of Conduct is very specific in declaring that U.S. military personnel are required to avoid answering questions to the utmost of their ability and to make no oral or written statements disloyal to the United States and its allies or harmful to their cause. Any violation of this code is considered collaborating with the enemy.
The following is McCain's own admission of collaboration in an article he wrote, printed May 14, 1973 in U.S. News and World Report:
"I think it was on the fourth day [after being shot down] that two guards came in, instead of one. One of them pulled back the blanket to show the other guard my injury. I looked at my knee. It was about the size, shape and color of a football. I remembered that when I was a flying instructor a fellow had ejected from his plane and broken his thigh. He had gone into shock, the blood had pooled in his leg, and he died, which came as quite a surprise to us - a man dying of a broken leg. Then I realized that a very similar thing was happening to me.
"When I saw it, I said to the guard, `O.K., get the officer.'"
"An officer came in after a few minutes. It was the man that we came to know very well as "The Bug." He was a psychotic torturer, one of the worst fiends that we had to deal with. I said, `O.K., I'll give you military information if you will take me to the hospital.'"
The Admiral's son gets "special treatment"
McCain claims it was only a coincidence that, about the same time he was begging to be taken to a hospital, the Vietnamese learned his father was Admiral John S. McCain, Jr., commander of all U.S. forces in Europe and soon-to-be commander of all U.S. forces in the Pacific, including Vietnam.
McCain does concede he survived because the Vietnamese learned who his father was, rushing him to a hospital where his wounds were eagerly treated.
The former POW admitted in the U.S. News and World Report article that the Vietnamese usually left other U.S. prisoners with similar wounds to die, not wishing to waste medication on them. McCain pointed out "there were hardly any amputees among the prisoners who came back because the North Vietnamese just would not give medical treatment to someone who was badly injured. They weren't going to waste their time."
McCain has failed to mention what he has confided to another U.S. prisoner that since the Vietnamese felt they had in their hands such a "special prisoner" and propaganda bonanza, a Soviet surgeon was called in to treat him.
The communists figured that because POW McCain's father was of such high military rank, McCain was of royalty or the governing circle. They bragged that they had captured "the crown prince."
His communist handlers believed McCain, because he came from a "royal-family", would, when finally released, return to the United States to some important U.S. military or government job. Communist Interrogators and psychological warfare experts drooled at the thought.
more info here
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd59.htm
and here
http://www.newswithviews.com/Devvy/kidd60.htm
The sad thing about this is while our POW's resisted torture to the best of their abilities, the hippies were back in the US giving away these statements freely.
Charles Keating waving wads of cash in his face had the same effect.
FYI! McCain, the hypocrite, rises again! :)
Yeah....it wasn't the 'brain washing' that got him. It was the dreaded 'Spin Cycle'.
The headline of this article doesn't make much sense.
In the first instance, the information McCain gave up wasn't of any real value. Therefore, torture didn't "work" in the sense that we think of it working.
In the second instance, McCain would have signed a statement saying that he was Mickey Mouse, if it got him out of the ropes. Therefore, torture didn't "work" there, either.
Don't get me wrong. There's a difference between valid interrogation techniques, such as humiliation, environmental discomfort, sleep deprivation (to a limit) and torture. Valid interrogation techniques are just that - valid techniques. Torture, on the other hand, is pointless and counter-productive.
Well, here, torture does NOT work. He signed a false confession. How is that a defense of torture?
The US should not be torturing anyone, anywhere at anytime. It is both immoral and illegal.
I am prepared for the flames but being shot down and taken POW does not make anyone a hero! If that is the case, every man taken POW during WW II was a hero. Being shot down and forced to evacuate the country does not make you a hero, like that Air Force guy back during the Clinton years. One of the things Sowell said on Sunday - and he has said this before - is during the WOT, where are our heros? We read on the blogs about guys taking positions, saving lives, killing the enemy, but none of them are portrayed as heros. These are real soldiers - not some make believe crap such as McCain!
It would probably be mean to say that it takes a whole lot less these days to make McCain sell out.
So I won't.
Dan
/c8
Maxwell Smart: If you believe that you're a filthy capitalist imperialist swine!"
You got that right - now he works for the communists.
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