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1 posted on 11/20/2005 4:23:26 PM PST by Flavius
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"illegals were getting plastic surgery on their fingertips so their prints wouldn't be recognized by the FBI's database."


Gotta pick a lot of lettuce to pay for that.


2 posted on 11/20/2005 4:34:49 PM PST by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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Scores of illegal immigrants had rushed the 8-foot metal fence that separates San Luis, Ariz., from Mexicali, Mexico--a tactic known as the "banzai run."

Need to add some "juice" to that fence....then sit back with some popcorn and watch the fireworks....

5 posted on 11/20/2005 4:46:01 PM PST by dirtbiker (I've tried to see the liberal point of view, but I couldn't get my head that far up my a$$....)
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To: Flavius

Unfortunately, all politicians love illegal immigration :(


6 posted on 11/20/2005 4:53:02 PM PST by systematic
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I only have one thing to say.......Build That Damn Wall!
7 posted on 11/20/2005 4:57:44 PM PST by mickie
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To: HiJinx; Spiff; idratherbepainting; AZHSer; Sabertooth; Marine Inspector; A Navy Vet; ...

Interesting


8 posted on 11/20/2005 5:02:55 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country. What else needs to be said?)
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To: Flavius

I just don't get these open-border people. I bet they lock their homes when they're gone so unwanted intruders don't get in. I bet they lock their businesses at night so unwanted intruders don't get in. Why wouldn't they want to secure the borders so unwanted intruders don't come in?


9 posted on 11/20/2005 5:28:00 PM PST by Veggie Todd (Were those magic grits?)
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"Chertoff's plan is ambitious."


10 posted on 11/20/2005 5:29:57 PM PST by Ben Ficklin
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ping


11 posted on 11/20/2005 5:30:49 PM PST by gubamyster
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"A routine checkpoint stop turned up 251 bundles of marijuana in a rental car."

Want to repeat this nonsense you chirped on another thread?

"The small amount of bunk Mexican weed carried by illegals is insignificant. I believe the bulk of smuggled weed comes packed in number ten cans from Canada."

13 posted on 11/20/2005 5:39:12 PM PST by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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Same old stuck on stupid prattle from Federal lackeys with Michael Chertoff toping the list. Democrat and Republican elites are 100% open borders

Feds are always liars when it comes to illegals at our Mexico border. An Isreali style triple fence would cost 20 billion tops and would end the problem once and for all if 10,000 troops joined them

Half of our illegal alien population is visa overstayers. They have to be rooted out too. Employer sanctions would help mightily! Let Mexico and Latin America take care of their own!


14 posted on 11/20/2005 5:41:14 PM PST by dennisw (You shouldn't let other people get your kicks for you - Bob Dylan)
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Is this border war anything like the drug war? Where as if it's not successful enough after a few years the government should just abandon spending billions of dollars annually to enforce it.....

</3rd party "logic">
16 posted on 11/20/2005 5:51:13 PM PST by Tempest (I'm a Christian. Before I am a conservative.)
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I see the author also mentioned those evil Minutemen. ;^)

Added to this combustible mix are the Minutemen, the angry denizens of the border who have decided to take matters into their own hands by forming armed teams to watch over the green line, as the border is called.

Chris Simcox, the Minutemen's founder, says his organization added 20 new chapters in October alone and has had requests to form 40 more, including "interior enforcement" groups that will photograph employers picking up workers at day laborer depots.

19 posted on 11/20/2005 5:54:55 PM PST by DumpsterDiver
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Guess some will only be happy when the rest of the world resides in what used to be the good old USA....how foolish of us.


23 posted on 11/20/2005 6:56:06 PM PST by TheLion
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I'm just wondering how long this uproar will last before most people lose interest. It's sad to say but Americans have a fairly short attention span. Someone has to stay disciplined and keep the information flowing besides the MSM who only tell part of the story if any at all.


24 posted on 11/20/2005 6:57:23 PM PST by rfreedom4u (Native Texan)
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bump


27 posted on 11/20/2005 7:25:08 PM PST by GOPJ (Frenchmen should ask immigrants "Do you want to be Frenchmen?" not, "Will you work cheap?")
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I'll bet bleeding heart liberals would change their tune if they received a $500.00 monthly bill titled "illegal alien relocation" fund.


36 posted on 11/21/2005 9:40:28 AM PST by Buffettfan
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To: Flavius

DNA test are getting cheap. We should start using those.


37 posted on 11/21/2005 9:46:55 AM PST by CodeToad
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Here's another sad border story today.

How rapists prey on vulnerable border crossers
By Jerry Seper
THE WASHINGTON TIMES
November 21, 2005

http://washtimes.com/national/20051121-122534-8097r.htm


JACUMBA, Calif. -- Among the thousands of women who will illegally cross into the United States this year from Mexico, some will be raped by the same men who demanded $1,500 to $2,000 for safe passage -- their underpants often hung on a border fence as a trophy.
"I thought the wailings we heard at night were the coyotes barking at the moon," said Tim Donnelly, who headed the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps border vigil here. "I didn't know until later that those sounds were the cries of women being raped in the Mexican desert, some less than a hundred yards away from the border.
"There was absolutely nothing anyone could do about it," said Mr. Donnelly, grimacing as he turned away to hide his emotions. "It's something you never forget."
The women, according to U.S. law-enforcement authorities, have no realistic recourse, because they are foreigners seeking to enter the United States illegally. Separated from other illegals just south of the border, the smugglers take them into the desert where they are raped or sodomized.
U.S. authorities said some Mexican border police have taken part in the violence, often targeting migrants headed to the United States from Central and South America.
The rapes are part of what the U.S. Border Patrol said is a growing pattern of violence on the U.S.-Mexico border from California to Texas, including a rising number of assaults and robberies of illegals and a dramatic increase in attacks on Border Patrol agents and other law-enforcement personnel along the 1,940-mile border.
The incidents of violence and the intensity of the attacks, the authorities said, continue despite an ongoing and expensive effort by the Department of Homeland Security in the wake of the September 11 attacks to gain "operational control" of the border.
Alien and drug smugglers -- many armed with automatic weapons, global-positioning units and night-vision scopes -- have become increasingly aggressive in protecting their illicit cargoes, the authorities said, adding that attacks on Border Patrol agents have risen fivefold in the past year.
The State Department issued a warning earlier this year to Americans traveling into the northern border regions of Mexico, saying they should be "aware of the risk posed by the deteriorating security situation," including killings, kidnappings and sexual assaults.
The National Border Patrol Council (NBPC), which represents the agency's 10,000 nonsupervisory personnel, has blamed the increased violence, in part, on Homeland Security's "restrictive enforcement policies," saying border agents often are prohibited from actively pursuing those involved.
NBPC President T.J. Bonner, a 27-year Border Patrol veteran, said the enforcement policies have emboldened alien and drug smugglers to become more aggressive in challenging competitors, protecting themselves from detection and arrest and attacking illegal aliens.
But for Mr. Donnelly, a 38-year-old plastics salesman from Twin Peaks, Calif., who is married to a Hispanic woman and has five children, the violence is intolerable. He said the migrants who "cross every day into the United States through this rugged and dangerous terrain are the victims."

"They've been abused and abandoned by their own government. How can we not be outraged and ashamed that we allow these people to risk their lives -- and sometimes die -- in search of a better life?" he said. "What in the world is going on in our country that we will allow this to continue?"
More than 200 civilian volunteers signed up for the California vigil, standing watch along a rugged and isolated section of the U.S.-Mexico border about 70 miles east of San Diego. The monthlong event in October was part of the Minutemen's "Secure Our Borders" initiative, with volunteers in Vermont, New York, Washington state, California, Arizona, New Mexico and Texas.
"The Minutemen are not vigilantes or racists, just Americans asking that the law be enforced, that our borders be protected against drug dealers, alien smugglers and terrorists," Mr. Donnelly said.
His involvement with the Minutemen began in April in Arizona, but Mr. Donnelly said he considered "long and hard" whether to take part in the border watches, worrying about whether President Bush's label of "vigilantes" was correct and whether those who signed up were racists and troublemakers.
He said he wanted no part of a group that would stand against migrants and human rights, adding that he carefully watched as the April vigil unfolded, listened intently to those who had organized the event, stood watches on the border and talked with "everyone I could about why they had come to Arizona."
In September, he accepted the job as head of the Minuteman operation in California. "In the sea of exploited humanity that moves across our open borders every day in pursuit of a false promise, all sorts of ugly things can and do happen," he said. "I just don't want them to happen on my watch."

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38 posted on 11/21/2005 9:55:06 AM PST by WatchingInAmazement ("Nothing is more expensive than cheap labor," prof. Vernon Briggs, labor economist Cornell Un.)
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Scores of illegal immigrants had rushed the 8-foot metal fence that separates San Luis, Ariz., from Mexicali, Mexico--a tactic known as the "banzai run." A routine checkpoint stop turned up 251 bundles of marijuana in a rental car. And a report out of Miami indicated that some illegals were getting plastic surgery on their fingertips so their prints wouldn't be recognized by the FBI's database.

ping!

44 posted on 11/21/2005 4:17:32 PM PST by nicmarlo
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Scores of illegal immigrants had rushed the 8-foot metal fence that separates San Luis, Ariz., from Mexicali, Mexico--a tactic known as the "banzai run."

Bush and Fox would be proud!

46 posted on 11/21/2005 4:19:59 PM PST by swampfox98 (I like treason too. That's why I vote Republican.)
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