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Maine town approves ordinance to ban chain restaurants
Boston.com ^ | November 8, 2005 | Boston.com via the Associate Press

Posted on 11/10/2005 6:41:15 AM PST by TheForceOfOne

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To: Samwise
Bottom line, If a group asks..."Hey where do want to go?..." I would choose a one horse town restaurant with their 1.25 or buck fifty beers over 2.50 to 3.00 beer any day. Now if we're talking a primo dinner, one would not go to applebees anyway, but to a Ruth Crisps or the like...
61 posted on 11/10/2005 7:45:00 AM PST by sit-rep (If you acquire, hit it again to verify...)
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To: weegee
What kind of town is it that doesn't believe in "choice"

Exactly. The lefties love the "righttochooserighttochooserighttochoose" mantra to get the stupid public to support their extreme abortion positions--but they hate choice in any other context than killing your baby.

62 posted on 11/10/2005 7:46:47 AM PST by denydenydeny ("As a Muslim of course I am a terrorist"--Sheikh Omar Brooks, quoted in the London Times 8/7/05)
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To: CORedneck

The worse case of food poisoning in my life came from eating at a Tampa Chili's when I was fifteen. Since then, I have avodied that chain no matter where I go. If there was one in New Zealand (and I've been to New Zealand), I would have avoided it there too.


63 posted on 11/10/2005 7:48:17 AM PST by RightWingAtheist (Free the Crevo Three!)
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To: TheForceOfOne

A local community set a standard, whats the big deal? This isn't unusual, lots of communities keep certain businesses out of areas. Giuliani cleaned up Times Square by pushing adult businesses out. Many old town historic neighborhoods across the country force strict standards on businesses, sometimes barring operations and chain franchises. I'm not saying I agree with it, but I wouldn't call it socialism. Now if they were subsidizing mom and pop businesses by taxing others, then I'd call it socialism.


64 posted on 11/10/2005 7:56:23 AM PST by stacytec (Nihilism, destorying an "ism" near you!)
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To: TheForceOfOne
Protectionism plain and simple.

Today restaurants, tomorrow banks, gas stations, video outlets, retail of all kinds, Amway, Mary Kay....

65 posted on 11/10/2005 8:05:56 AM PST by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: TheForceOfOne

I do understand what they are saying. Every place is becoming just like every other place. They want to maintain some individuality. I just went to the Fashion Mall in a resort town and found 75% of the stores in that mall, I have within a 10 minute drive of my home.


66 posted on 11/10/2005 8:09:46 AM PST by Ditter
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To: Final Authority
Does this new law mean that Fancy That next to the Village Food Market will have to quit serving Starbucks coffee?
67 posted on 11/10/2005 8:14:51 AM PST by Between the Lines (Be careful how you live your life, it may be the only gospel anyone reads.)
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To: Between the Lines
It's getting really ugly when government decides who gets to be in business and to what extent they make succeed. We see this now with the attacks on major oil companies.

And with the distortion of the Eminent Domain ruling, they can wipe you off the map when they reach the conclusion they don't want you around anymore, or if a competitor greases a politicians pocket he can have you squashed and take your property, or if you squawk about the tax rate they throw at you.
68 posted on 11/10/2005 8:27:44 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: weegee

Looks like you still don't. Go into a Boston neighborhood bar at 1 p.m. and see what happened to the afternoon crowd. The chic yuppies can't replace the retirees in that time block. Notice how many bars don't open until late in the afternoon.
Try this: casino revenues fell 30 percent in Delaware after the ban.
This isn't a theoretical discussion that you "get" or "don't get," it's economic reality.
And, be wary of the conflicting information out of NYC, where bar tax revenues are up since the ban. There, the ban followed both the Clinton stock-market crash and 9/11 while at the same time the tax rate was raised and bars responded by raising the price of drinks. Fewer drinkers paying more.
A better measure would be how well bars in Hoboken have done since the NY smoking ban. Very well, indeed.


69 posted on 11/10/2005 8:27:59 AM PST by jjmcgo
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To: Between the Lines
Does this new law mean that Fancy That next to the Village Food Market will have to quit serving Starbucks coffee?

Maybe, after they toss out Ben and Jerry's?
Ben and Jerry's in Ogunquit

70 posted on 11/10/2005 8:29:04 AM PST by Paine in the Neck
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To: Little Ray
Fun thing to do is to drive by local establishments at lunch or dinner time and note which ones are filled up... then visit them. Usually, if its popular with the locals, its pretty good.

My wife and I visited Germany for the first time this summer. Not knowing the language well, we decided to get adventurous and try one of the little taverns out in the countryside for dinner. One small place we drove by had a parking lot completely full of cars about 5:30 p.m. Wow, we thought, look at that place! It's popular with locals so the food must be great.

Well, the food was very good, and we were congratulating ourselves on our great find after leaving the restaurant when I noticed a sign by our parked car. The parking lot was a "park and ride" location for commuters. Most of the cars there were not patrons of the restaurant!

Sometimes you just get lucky.

71 posted on 11/10/2005 8:30:18 AM PST by BigBobber
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To: Between the Lines
Depends on if they have a particular type of business chain they despise in mind or all outfits belonging to larger cooperate chains like Walmart or Exxon.

This sure does jump the power of local government up ten fold, just ripe conditions for all kinds of back door deals and corruption which will all appear legal.
72 posted on 11/10/2005 8:32:28 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: Cinnamon Girl

"How is that socialism if they had a democratic vote?"

Well, socialists can legally be elected into office. Didn't it happen in Germany in '32? The National Socialist German Workers Party:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_party#Reborn_Nazi_Party


73 posted on 11/10/2005 8:35:05 AM PST by Frank T
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To: BigBobber

Never had bad food in Germany ("on the economy"), from Die Post in Fulda, to the little base "food hut" in Bad Kissingen to Gasthouses in Rotenburge on the Taube, Munich, Wurzburg, and Nurnberg. Except for sauerkraut, I love German food.

Had bad food in Paris, but it was my sister's fault. Never go to a "Greek" restaurant in Paris. Really disappointed, since the food in Paris is supposed to be exceptional. Even the specials at McDonalds (we didn't eat there - it was packed!) looked better.


74 posted on 11/10/2005 8:40:47 AM PST by Little Ray (I'm a reactionary, hirsute, gun-owning, knuckle dragging, Christian Neanderthal and proud of it!)
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To: TheForceOfOne
This reminds me of an episode in Carmel (by-the-sea), California 20 or so years ago, when the town council outlawed eating ice cream cones in public because it lent to a 'carnival atmosphere'.
75 posted on 11/10/2005 8:41:14 AM PST by Godzilla ( How do I set a laser printer to stun?)
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To: Godzilla
And to many incidents of people having carnival knowledge of each other. lol

Sorry, old joke I couldn't resist. (Like having French benefits at work)
76 posted on 11/10/2005 8:45:13 AM PST by TheForceOfOne
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To: weegee
It is despotism. There is no "social need" to bar the chain restaurants. This is corporate versus connected interests.

You're assuming that only corporate interests are at work here.

Well: I am sure local businesses were happy to support this move out of pure self-interest. But they couldn't have gotten away with it without public support.

Some people may simply object to chain restuarants for principled or aesthetic reasons. There has to be somne of that going on here. I'm not saying I agree with it. I agree with the suggestion someone made above that it would have been better to simply zone them away from the historic district.

Even if the measure was approved by the public, you would find challenges to any law that banned abortion clinics in town.

You probably would - but not from me!

How about a ban on Wal-Marts? Or foreign owned newspapers?

I think local communities would be within their rights to ban - or heavily zone - either.

77 posted on 11/10/2005 8:49:19 AM PST by The Iguana
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To: TheForceOfOne
Sorry, old joke I couldn't resist. (Like having French benefits at work)

LOL, you need to get out more.

78 posted on 11/10/2005 8:53:18 AM PST by Godzilla ( How do I set a laser printer to stun?)
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To: MineralMan
I prefer dining in chain establishments when I'm travelling.

There's a group of us who tour a lot on motorcycles. One of our trip rules is that we never eat in a "chain" restaurant. Instead, we enter "no-name" restaurants and ask the waitress, "What's good?" Whatever she says is what we order. We are particularly attracted to restaurants with a neon "Good Food" signs in the window. (Selecting restaurants this way increases the antibodies in one's blood and helps ward off disease.)

79 posted on 11/10/2005 8:56:37 AM PST by JoeGar
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To: weegee
If all businesses have to comply, there is no difference in service. Do people really avoid seeing live music because they can't have a smoke? Do they really start cooking more at home? There are needs that are not met by having that cigarette.

I can't speak for anyone else, but when Maine went smoke free in January 2003, I do not go to restaurants and/or bars any longer.  I refuse to pay for that personal abuse of not being able to smoke a cigarette.  I smoke.  I enjoy it with my meals and beverage.  If I can't enjoy a cigarette, I don't go.  I order take-out now and home delivery. 

There is documented proof that the bans are choking the economy across the Country.

Businesses Harmed by Smoking Bans

80 posted on 11/10/2005 9:31:32 AM PST by SheLion (Trying to make a life in the BLUE state of Maine!)
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