Posted on 11/07/2005 11:46:41 PM PST by BillyBoy
My Fellow FReepers,
As it now past midnight (well at least for those of us in Central Standard Time) and I did a general search and couldn't find a single thread dedicated to election 2005, I have taken the liberty of creating one.
THIS is the place to post all your updates and discussions on '05 races around the country. From the Boston Mayoral Race to the fight for Virginia Attorney General, keep the adrenaline flowing here.
Will the GOP make a midterm gubernatorial comeback after suffering through the 2001 "mistakes" of McGreeley and Mark Warner? Will Ahnuld, the CA Dummycrats, or independent minded conservatives emerge triumph in California's latest (but not greatest!) "special election"? Will the liberal incumbent crush his equally liberal challenger in New York? And do conservatives even care?
Let's get the discussion rolling folks. You heard it here first!
"If they want to win, they need to make conservatives happy. They need to run optimistic conservative campaigns, they need to govern conservatively, and they need to defend conservatism when it is challenged. Voters will choose the real deal over the fake, IF given the option."
Rush has regularly said the same thing many time - people that are conservative and run as a conservative win elections.
They were democrat already. The GOP didn't lose anything. Geeze. NJ hasn't had a GOP decade in how many years? How many DECADES? That's predictable. And the Republican candidate in VA ran a weak campaign and VA has had democrat governors for years, also predictable and not a loss. How you consider the status quo in just two governor races as a GOP loss STUNS ME! But by all means, keep it up. Maybe you and others can kill enough enthusiasm among Conservatives to REALLY make GOP losses next year. Then you can really brag about being right. 8) Sorry, but I don't cry in my soup. I KNOW what's going on and looking at the big picture, I'd MUCH rather be a Republican than a democrat. Next year is NOT looking good for them. If a couple of you guys can't see that, well. Look harder. 8)
Yep, but in 1994 Clinton was weak and the dems in Congress were weak, too. That led to GOP control of both houses almost that entire time (except for a 2 year window in the Senate).
A presidents popularity can (and does) impact congressional races. If Clinton could win in 1992 and his party loset both houses of Congress in 1994 (that they by and large had a stranglehold on for decades), then Bush can win in 2004 and his party can lose both houses of Congress in 2006.
The idea that it doesn't matter is unwise. If Bush is unpopular in a year the electorate may take it out on his party in Congress. It happened to Clinton and the dems - I have no idea why it couldn't happen to the GOP.
It is you word against mine, and I know I am correct.
amongst the popular US radio talk show hosts, he is the only one who focuses on the cultural assimilation issues.
Wasn't Forrester the candidate favored by the GOP though? As with Toomey?
Not exactly. It's your memory about what I posted vs my memor of what I posted.
So you are telling me you are a better authority of what I post than I am? I know for a fact that you are not.
For want it is worth L.A Country was only at 10% voter turnout at 4pm pst, durning the recall it was 13%, meanwhile The OC voter turnout by 4pm est was higher than the presidental primany in 04.
On ballot issues, undecideds almost always break for the No vote. My guess is that only ones that had leads have a chance of passing. Then again, polling isn't an exact science.
http://vote2005.ss.ca.gov/Returns/prop/00.htm
For the state wide votes as the come in.
I'm not optimistic, don't misunderstand. Just stating my summation of the night is that conservatives or conservative positions are edging out non conservatives and non conservative policies on balance. This would seem to benefit Cali initiatives somewhat. However, it is still a Dem controlled state so we'll see.
ONE MORE TIME . . .
Both the VA and NJ gubernatorial races were perfectly predictable: NJ because its a BLUE state and VA because it has a unique gubernatorial system/history:
HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE:
The governorship of Virginia has gone to the party NOT occupying the White House every year since 1973!!
Yep, Reagan campaigned vigorously for his party's candidate BOTH times and the Democrat still won. Clinton did the same for his party's candidate and the Republicans still won!! In 2001, GWB's JA rating was in the 80s and yes, you guessed it, the Democrat still won!
Bottomline 1: The VA race is NOT an indicator of anything other than the often bizarre nature of Virginia politics!
Bottomline 2: Both VA and NJ were Democrat seats that remained Democrat -- the Republicans still retain their gubernatorial majority.
Actually, the big loser tonight: HILLARY CLINTON. The VA win will only embolden Warner -- the Clintons are going to have a tough fight on their hands for the RAT nomination in 08 (OBama may also have a tougher fight for VP)!!
Right on! I don't know how two governor's elections which stay as they were before, is a loss for the GOP. That's so short sighted and formed out of total ignorance of recent events.
Excellent historical fact!
Yes, the Dem. nomination is hers for the asking, but she would probably be the weakest nominee our party could face.
I hate to be a downer, but we could possibly be staring down-as you alluded to-Mark Warner, or Bill Richardson, or Bill Nelson, if he's re-elected.
Personally, I'm praying that the Dems are stupid enough to nominate someone who 40% of the American public is already irrevocably opposed to.
For those of us not in CA, could you refresh our memories as to yes/no votes. All I remember is yes to parental notification for abortions.
Yeah they took it to court and won in a libral court. IT was as far from a legitmate election as it can be, but in the whore house that is NJ politics it's what I would expect.
Well, any last minute predictions for the CA propositions? Polls close in 14 minutes.
I really can't predict. I know what I am hoping for (see tagline below), but I really don't know how it will turn out.
I am not very hopeful, but I also think the prop-s passing were within striking distance and there could be a surprise and they could pass.
On balance, that is absolutely true. Running as a conservative in San Francisco may not get you elected, but in the majority of the country conservatisism will get you elected more than not.
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