Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Shroud of Turin — Local scientist says the cloth covered Christ
Deseret Morning News ^ | November 5, 2005 | Carrie Moore

Posted on 11/06/2005 12:38:04 PM PST by NYer

While periodic claims continue to surface purporting to debunk the Shroud of Turin as a hoax — including one made earlier this year by an Idaho academic — one local scientist has no doubt that the cloth covered the crucified Christ and has survived intact for nearly two millennia.

Photo
Deseret Morning News graphic
DNA testing of blood found on the fibers of the Shroud of Turin has been inconclusive.
      Eugenia Nitowski, an archaeologist and former nun, bases her conclusion as much on science as on faith: The shroud's existence has forced science to seriously debate the Resurrection of Jesus.
      In 1986, Nitowski conducted one of many experiments now referenced by shroud scholars in trying to determine whether the cloth — a linen containing the image of a man who had been brutally scourged, crowned with thorns, crucified with spikes through his wrists and feet, and speared in the side before death — was Christ's burial shroud. (See story below.)
      The fine-twined linen Shroud of Turin, approximately 14 feet, 3 inches long by 3 feet, 7 inches wide, has been one of the most closely scrutinized religious icons in history. Owned and conserved by the Roman Catholic Church, it is housed in the Chapel of the Holy Shroud inside the Cathedral of St. John the Baptist in Torino (or Turin), Italy — in the news most recently as the next host of the 2006 Winter Olympic Games.
      Just as The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints became a focal point of news media coverage during the Winter Games here three years ago, the Catholic faith and Turino's famous artifact will no doubt be part of the story during the 2006 Games.
      Though a couple of strokes and failing eyesight have left her unable to actively research with the so-called "shroud crowd," Nitowski will likely be among Utahns watching from afar, curious about any new discussion of the cloth she believes covered Jesus Christ.
      Nitowski's efforts to re-create the conditions that would have existed inside an excavated Middle Eastern stone burial chamber have since been cited as another piece of evidence that places the shroud in first-century Jerusalem.
      "We rented a tomb there for two weeks," on the grounds of the French School of Architecture in Jerusalem, said Nitowski, who has a bachelor's degree in biblical languages and history, master's degrees in biblical archaeology and medieval history and a doctorate from Notre Dame in medieval history.
      As a Middle Eastern archaeologist, Nitowski told the Deseret Morning News, she had previously excavated 17 tombs and knew "pretty well what the environment was like," including the first one she'd ever worked on — a "rolling stone tomb dated to the time of Christ."
      While she was working inside, a fellow worker rolled the stone closed, encasing her in stony darkness and silence, she said. She found a bench that lined the walls of the tomb's central chamber and lay down on it, enjoying the cool stone wall's feel against her face. As she did so, she thought about the temperature inside and later began digging into literature on the Shroud of Turin and whether anyone had tried to determine the temperature inside Christ's tomb.
Photo
Deseret Morning News graphic
      A resulting article, "New Evidence May Explain Image on Shroud of Turin," published in Biblical Archaeology Review, July/August 1986, was co-written with a researcher named Joseph Kohlbeck.
      Kohlbeck was listed as a resident scientist at Utah's Hercules Aerospace Center. It was reported that Kohlbeck, with assistance from Richard Levi-Setti of the Enrico Fermi Institute at the University of Chicago, compared dirt from the shroud to travertine aragonite limestone found in ancient Jewish tombs in Israel.
      Kohlbeck's dust particles were taken from sticky tape samples that researcher Ray Rogers, from the 1978 shroud investigation team, had taken from the Shroud of Turin and compared with Nitowski's samples.
      According to several scholarly papers and a book by author Ian Wilson called "The Blood and the Shroud," the particles of dirt on the Shroud of Turin provided a close chemical match to the samples Nitowski took from the tombs. At the time, Kohlbeck acknowledged that his work was not proof that the shroud was in Jerusalem and that there might be other places in the world where aragonite has the identical chemical composition.
      Barrie Schwortz, a Jewish researcher and member of the original 1978 Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) team, said his knowledge of research on the shroud leads him to believe the image on the cloth "is not the product of a scorch," even a very mild one like Nitowski described.
      "There are many known scorches on the Shroud from the fire in 1532. Scorched linen will fluoresce, and as expected, the scorched images (on the shroud) do show fluorescence, but it's not a product of heated linen in the image the way a scorch would be. I believe there is ample scientific evidence to support that."
      Schwortz now owns and operates an active Web site on the shroud, www.shroud.com. He said he believes the shroud is most likely authentic, but moving from skeptical science to active advocacy of that position took him about 18 years of study.
      "I became an advocate based on direct involvement and personal examination of the cloth. I expected to see the brush strokes (that many have speculated were used to paint the image) and come home. But there is no paint. This is not a painting. Then it became a question of what is it."
      For him, science became advocacy "when the weight of all the science together leads in one direction. I believe that's the case with the exception of the radiocarbon dating."
      In 1988, three separate laboratories tested a small section of fiber from the shroud and dated it to medieval times, yet "all of the other evidence was pointing the other way," Schwortz said. At the time, many serious scholars dismissed the shroud as a fake, but earlier this year, Schwortz said a fellow shroud researcher who was part of the STURP team produced evidence that the sample used in radiocarbon dating experiments was actually taken from a part of the cloth that had been woven in to repair the shroud, meaning the sample was not a part of the original fabric.
      To date, no access has been granted by the shroud's conservators to do another radiocarbon sample.
      "I'm pretty convinced now the best explanation is that it is what we think it is," said Schwortz, who is Jewish and claims neither religious nor personal stake in the outcome. "I've spent years and years of studying this thing and doing everything in my power to find it's not some kind of medieval fake or forgery. Why is it so hard to accept that we could have an artifact of the historical Jesus? I would think that would be welcome."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: christ; ggg; medievalhoax; shroud; shroudofturin; sudariumofoviedo; turin; veronicaveil
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 last
To: Foundahardheadedwoman

I'm glad you didn't aim that at me because I do not need proof.


61 posted on 11/06/2005 8:08:25 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 60 | View Replies]

To: Revolting cat!

Paul McCartney's dead?!?!?


62 posted on 11/06/2005 8:21:50 PM PST by kalee
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 57 | View Replies]

To: kalee

I think the walrus killed him.


63 posted on 11/06/2005 8:40:43 PM PST by Nihil Obstat
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 62 | View Replies]

To: cryptical

It really doesn't matter what you believe or how liberated you are in your thinking....one day every knee will bow (including yours). Either we're right and you're on your way to a fire that eternally burns --- or we're wrong, in which case we'll all sleep with the worms. If I were a betting man, with those odds.......


64 posted on 11/06/2005 8:52:32 PM PST by cowdog77
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Mercat

"Seems to me that if the DNA matches the house of Levi ... Jesus was not born to that house."

Even more confusingly, there's more than one Levite line. A small number of Ashkenazic male Levites (myself included) are a direct descendent of Khazarian converts about a millenia ago. Google for R1a haplotype


65 posted on 11/07/2005 2:01:40 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: cowdog77

"It really doesn't matter what you believe or how liberated you are in your thinking....one day every knee will bow (including yours). Either we're right and you're on your way to a fire that eternally burns --- or we're wrong, in which case we'll all sleep with the worms. If I were a betting man, with those odds......."

Oh it's not that simple. What if you're both wrong and the Calvinists are right, and God only predestines salvation for some? Or maybe the Jehovahs Witnesses are right, and we're all burning in hell... except for 144000 of them? What if you're both wrong, and Jesus is not the Hebrew Messiah? What if you're right but the penalty for being wrong isn't burning in eternal hell-fire? After all, that doesn't sound like a loving God, to me!


66 posted on 11/07/2005 2:13:04 AM PST by adam_az (It's the border, stupid!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 64 | View Replies]

To: NYer
Barrie Schwortz, a Jewish researcher and member of the original 1978 Shroud of Turin Research Project (STURP) team, said his knowledge of research on the shroud leads him to believe the image on the cloth "is not the product of a scorch," even a very mild one like Nitowski described.

"There are many known scorches on the Shroud from the fire in 1532. Scorched linen will fluoresce, and as expected, the scorched images (on the shroud) do show fluorescence, but it's not a product of heated linen in the image the way a scorch would be. I believe there is ample scientific evidence to support that."

Schwortz now owns and operates an active Web site on the shroud, www.shroud.com. He said he believes the shroud is most likely authentic, but moving from skeptical science to active advocacy of that position took him about 18 years of study.

"I became an advocate based on direct involvement and personal examination of the cloth. I expected to see the brush strokes (that many have speculated were used to paint the image) and come home. But there is no paint. This is not a painting. Then it became a question of what is it."

For him, science became advocacy "when the weight of all the science together leads in one direction. I believe that's the case with the exception of the radiocarbon dating."

Skeptics take note.

According to several scholarly papers and a book by author Ian Wilson called "The Blood and the Shroud," the particles of dirt on the Shroud of Turin provided a close chemical match to the samples Nitowski took from the tombs. At the time, Kohlbeck acknowledged that his work was not proof that the shroud was in Jerusalem and that there might be other places in the world where aragonite has the identical chemical composition.

Interesting.

67 posted on 11/07/2005 4:28:08 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: cryptical
So if we were to clone Jesus from the blood, would that be the Second Coming, or a false Second Coming?

The clone would be nothing more than a twin, right? He would not necessarily have a divine nature.

68 posted on 11/07/2005 4:30:08 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Tanniker Smith
I'm not sure I like the idea of DNA testing of the blood on the Shroud. Can you imagine if some whacko tries to use a drop of blood and whatever DNA markers to make a clone . . .

The blood type also matches the Eucharistic miracle of Lanciano. So there's more than one source of Jesus' blood.

69 posted on 11/07/2005 4:33:35 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: Al Simmons
More significantly, the blood type on the Shroud (which I maintain is actually the "Mandylion" shroud that was kept in Constantinople until it was probably saved from the advancing Turks) is identical to that on the Sudarium (the cloth that covered the head of the crucified Christ) which can be traced back to New Testatement times, and which is in the Cathedral of Oviedo in Spain.

AND the Crown of Thorns in Paris, AND the Miraculous cardiac tissue in Naples, AND...all AB-.

70 posted on 11/07/2005 4:37:36 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 29 | View Replies]

To: kingu
it is a thing of faith.

Does the fact that scientists cannot duplicate the image or explain its genesis count for anything? At the very least, the argument for the Shroud's supernatural origin is highly probable.

71 posted on 11/07/2005 4:38:30 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: Doctor Don
when the burial lotions were added

But, see, they hadn't been added yet. That's what the women were going to do on Easter morning when they met the angel and Christ was already risen and gone.

72 posted on 11/07/2005 4:40:48 AM PST by Desdemona (Music Librarian and provider of cucumber sandwiches, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary. Hats required.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 45 | View Replies]

To: Nihil Obstat
I think the walrus killed him.

For the last time, "The walrus was Paul"! ;-)

73 posted on 11/07/2005 4:43:33 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 63 | View Replies]

To: adam_az
What if you're right but the penalty for being wrong isn't burning in eternal hell-fire? After all, that doesn't sound like a loving God, to me!

God is just. He provides hell for those who choose it.

74 posted on 11/07/2005 4:44:55 AM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 66 | View Replies]

To: NYer
Why is it so hard to accept that we could have an artifact of the historical Jesus? I would think that would be welcome.

I don't understand why it's so hard to accept that this could be Christ's burial shroud. We have articles of history much older than this linen. It's amazing how religion can spark such a response of doubt and second-guessing.

75 posted on 11/07/2005 4:47:04 AM PST by rarestia ("One man with a gun can control 100 without one." - Lenin / Molwn Labe!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: UCANSEE2

I can tell from several posts in this thread that for some people, Jesus is a joke. That is why we are told "...not to worship... idols, or images...." Relics and artifacts may be "holy" to some, but also are objects of derision for others.

My personal faith in Jesus as my savior would not be changed one bit if they prove or disprove the shroud. I remember reading about some lady in Hiroshima who had the pattern of her silk dress transferred to her skin after the atomic bomb blast, so I see how a burst of energy could imprint some image on a cloth, but if not, so what?

Scientists say yes, scientists say no. The fact is, NO scientist can describe with absolute certainty any unique past event without corroboration from a verifiable, independent observer.

Time will tell. "For now we see through a glass darkly, but then face to face."


76 posted on 11/07/2005 5:09:05 AM PST by GadareneDemoniac
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: Swordmaker

Thanks for the ping. I believe it's Jesus and proof comes as science evolves.


77 posted on 11/07/2005 7:52:46 AM PST by ex-snook (Vote gridlock for the most conservative government)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 53 | View Replies]

To: NYer

Bumpus ad summum


78 posted on 11/07/2005 8:21:16 PM PST by Dajjal
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: GadareneDemoniac

Yes, darkly. Where the veil was rent in the mind and shut it off from perceiving 'face to face'.

But soon the veil will be lifted.

To that time.

( :}


79 posted on 11/07/2005 8:46:10 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (I jez calls it az I see it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 76 | View Replies]

To: NYer

INTREP


80 posted on 11/10/2005 5:01:21 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware the secularization of America)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-2021-4041-6061-80 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson